Should the wardens report members to H/O.
If what is read on here is accurate, there seems to be many members who flout the CC on-site rules.
It is part of the warden's duties to enforce those rules. Backed up by Grimstead Towers.
What is needed is for those members to be reported, by the warden to H/O, whereupon there would be a record kept and after the third infringement, that said member would have their membership revoked.
Time to get tough with those who don't think the rules apply to them.
K 
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I couldn't agree more K, although I doubt it's "many" members. But in the case where some are undoubtedly abusing the rules (such as, apparently, the family at Rookesbury Park), yes they should be reported. Revoking membership might be a step too far, but certainly some sanction like cancelling forward bookings as is done for serial late cancellations might be effective.
BUT, I do think the wardens need (a) assurance that they'll get support from HQ and (b) the assistance of us, the other members who do follow the rules in reporting transgressions in the first place.
Wardens can't be everywhere at all times so if we see something which we feel is wrong and we're sufficiently exercised by it I think we have a responsibility to bring it to their attention in the first place. It's certainly likely to be more effective than simply posting it on here after all.
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I don't know about the third infringement. Is that a K-ism?
I would assume the reporting already happens.
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Not sure of what number of infringements constitutes removal from a site or the Club as a whole, but it does happen. We know of one visitor asked to leave a site after unsocial behaviour on a Club Site was reported to a Warden, by a number of appalled visitors.
Warden was sure of facts, may or may not have checked with HQ, but off they went. Good result all round. Whether they remained members was a matter for HQ, we never found out. One of best things about using CLs is that you know if there is a (rare) problem,
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Many sites are open to non members. Is it members who are reansgessing the rules or non members?
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Come on folks for once K has come up with a good plan. It must be a good plan because wardens already report serious rule breakers to HO.
As far as encouraging curtain twitchers to report the infringement of imaginary rules goes I'm not so sure. Perhaps if everyone was issued with a 3 page checklist so they could keep tabs on the actions of their immediate neighbours it might work. Accurate
recording of registration numbers and description of occupants would be essential which would leave little time for things like getting on and enjoying your holiday but sacrifices have to be made for the greater good0 -
Has (or hasn't) something happened at a Club Site that prompted this?
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Avoidance of the challenge "he said" / "she said" - perhaps by photographic evidence - would need to be thought through?
Communicating / socialising that consequence management is in operation would also need some thouight...plus a consistent approach - rather than someones / warden descretion.
In reality, how many people would be keen to 'get involved' rather than just try and enjoy there hard earned break?
I'm unsure how it would appropriatley work for the good of all, in the real world.
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Thanks JayEss, I thought I felt Clubworld shake!
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I'm glad we generally use CLs. Seems that the CC sites are full of people more concerned with what everybody else is doing .....
...That would of course be in line with the amount of member vans on a cl 5 with over 100 on club sites with more opportunity fo transgressions
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I do not think its a matter of "curtain twitching"its that the way society is being dragged down by the ones who know that most people will not do anything "in case it upsets someone" who then on leaving a site will leave a negative report in the comments book about it,or a review about the site," with site ok but holiday/stay spoilt because of? "when if mentioned to the site staff (despite some comments) normally will try to resolve "the problem",including the perpetrators having their membership withdrawn
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I'm not worried. In 30 plus years of being a member, two bad experiences, the one I mentioned above, (which was a little bit worse than a bit of waste water on a pitch) and a Traveller invasion were both dealt with professionally and satisfactorily by Wardens
and Club staff. Seldom get any kind of issues on a CL. Odd escaped cow, a meandering sheep, owners dog saying hello, buzzard dropping a rabbit on van. Just routine stuff really.0 -
I'm not worried. In 30 plus years of being a member, two bad experiences, the one I mentioned above, (which was a little bit worse than a bit of waste water on a pitch) and a Traveller invasion were both dealt with professionally and satisfactorily by Wardens and Club staff. Seldom get any kind of issues on a CL. Odd escaped cow, a meandering sheep, owners dog saying hello, buzzard dropping a rabbit on van. Just routine stuff really.
...I think the most problems we found was the Herding instinct of members even on large cls there is loads of space but the area 15ft from where we are is best for the next arrival
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I just tend to think that a percentage of club members are wound a little bit too tightly
..I agree but that does not mean they should upset the majority of others, when the spring suddenly snaps and they are obliviose to others
I meant the curtain twitchers
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There are few sanctions available to the "Club" at all, and no difference from a commercial site operator since anyone at all can use the sites.
Some basic care about what sort of vehicle/caravan combination they let on in the first place, and requiring immediate departure in the event of an infringement are about it. Possibly the laws of trespass cover peole not leaving when required, and of course the old Scottish catch-all of "Behaviour likely to cause a Breach of the Peace".
The best defence against bad behaviour that the Club could have is to develop a reputation of robust response to anti-social activities and the "rules" (whatever they are) need to be clearly stated and then consistenly enforced to achieve that.
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I just tend to think that a percentage of club members are wound a little bit too tightly
..I agree but that does not mean they should upset the majority of others, when the spring suddenly snaps and they are obliviose to others
I meant the curtain twitchers
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Too many rules are as bad as too few. Common courtesy, decency, sense of fairness, sense of proportion, much better concepts for getting through life happily and nicely.
Once rules start to perpetuate, sure sign of falling standards, micro management required. Only effective as well if constantly and thoroughly followed up. Ergo, that's when you get your curtain twitchers and snitches!
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it would seem that the rules on CT are enforced more than on a club site.................
And penalties for breaking them can be stiffer.
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Too many rules are as bad as too few. Common courtesy, decency, sense of fairness, sense of proportion, much better concepts for getting through life happily and nicely.
Once rules start to perpetuate, sure sign of falling standards, micro management required. Only effective as well if constantly and thoroughly followed up. Ergo, that's when you get your curtain twitchers and snitches!
..Rules for "the guidence of wise men the obeyance of fools" its a shame that these days the guidence bit is being tested by society
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Thank you for your contributions to the thread folks.
It seems there are a few ( Not Many ) who have difficulty with the concept of the Warden carrying out their paid duty to monitor, control and manage their site for the benefit of us the holiday makers.
It is not our responsibility to do any of those things, we are too busy enjoying our holiday.
A vigilant and dedicated warden team, backed up by robust action from H/O is what will stop any contraventions of the CC on-site rules and ensure that a holiday on their site is enjoyed by those who expect good site management to be an important part of their stay.
K
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Thank you for your contributions to the thread folks.
It seems there are a few ( Not Many ) who have difficulty with the concept of the Warden carrying out their paid duty to monitor, control and manage their site for the benefit of us the holiday makers.
It is not our responsibility to do any of those things, we are too busy enjoying our holiday.
A vigilant and dedicated warden team, backed up by robust action from H/O is what will stop any contraventions of the CC on-site rules.
K
...That K is typical of why the problems of todays society are getting worse, joe public thinking it is everyone elses resposibility
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