Supermarket fuel
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.it had nothing to do with dirty fuel it was the fact that Huyndi/Kia 1.7 diesel filters could not handle waxing in low temperatures and a housing with a heater had to be fitted, cost cutting for the UK market.
Does diesel wax anymore? I've had a few diseasals over the past few years & never had any problems, even over the winter a few years ago when it stayed at minus brass monkies for weeks.
Funnily enough wev are next taking out the MDFI tank, I was not aware of the nature of this additive until today , but this is a cold filter plugging prevention (CFPP) additive for winter spec fuel and we have now changed to summer spec. That might help with your comments above.
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no supermarket fuel for me i have seen what it can do only b/p or shell bassett.
ACTUALLY, no, no you have not! - neither bp nor Shell manufacture fuel in the UK. Those stations buy the same fuel as the supermarkets
from the local refinery or depot!There are only 7 such places in the entire country. The north of england and all of scotland use the exact same one!
The raw material is identical. The quality of the storage tanks, pipes and any additives are what can vary.
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.it had nothing to do with dirty fuel it was the fact that Huyndi/Kia 1.7 diesel filters could not handle waxing in low temperatures and a housing with a heater had to be fitted, cost cutting for the UK market.
Does diesel wax anymore? I've had a few diseasals over the past few years & never had any problems, even over the winter a few years ago when it stayed at minus brass monkies for weeks.
Funnily enough wev are next taking out the MDFI tank, I was not aware of the nature of this additive until today , but this is a cold filter plugging prevention (CFPP) additive for winter spec fuel and we have now changed to summer spec. That might help
with your comments above.The explanation from Kia was the winter of 13/14 was mild and your CFPP additive was only added to the fuel below +7C. So the problem was two fold the fuel company cost cutting and a Kia designe fault.
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The explanation from Kia was the winter of 13/14 was mild and your CFPP additive was only added to the fuel below +7C. So the problem was two fold the fuel company cost cutting and a Kia designe fault.
I can only say we have set change dates from winter to summer and back and as far as I know this completely independent of temperature - what other refineries do, I could not say.
...but if I was Kia....
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Hi sailorgirl, well we currently only have one consumer diesel tank and all the diesel, whether it is going to supermarkets or the brands gets loaded into road tankers from that tank, so the basic fuel is IDENTICAL!. Only if you buy the upgraded version,
will you be getting a brand specific additive. All BS EN 590 diesel is low sulphur, and has been for many years. Lubricity chemicals are added during blending and the lubricity of low sulphur fuel is higher than the old high sulphur fuel.If he loaded from the wrong rack, it may be that it had brand additives... but certainly not lower quality.
(Also turbos don't have injectors, as far as I am aware)
Write your comments here...cj I am a blonde female maybe I was told a porkie but they stripped down the fuel system and engine bits that relied on fuel, I know turbo came into the conversation and also the word injector however the car never really recoverd
but the replacement Company car I had which was another Vauxhall Cavalier was fantastic, so mine might have been the Friday afternoon one...SG2....0 -
I love this post, having had problems with a blocked diesel filter the dealer will roll out the supermarket fuel excuse not the fact the filter housing needed to be changed under warranty and try to charge you £80 to change the filter.
Rearly used supermarket fuel because the Esso filling station is just around the corner from me, and the ten mile round trip to the nearest supermarket filling station is not worth the effort
Write your comments here...
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Jasper stated that shell don't produce fuel in the UK, my post was l don't use super market fuel but use shell and once a month fill up with v power. Couldn't careless where its refined, l just know l had poblems using supermarket fuel, like a few others
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I think this thread should be closed on the grounds of expressing religious views. It seems that some evangelical people believe in something for which there is not one shred of evidence.
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That is not the definition of a "religious view"
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Water. I wonder if the symptoms people experience is as a result of water contamination.
I'd hazard a guess that the way fuel is stored and how quick it is replenished at each station plays a part.
Condensation in steel storage tanks, poor sealing systems, bio fuel with high moisture content.
My reasoning ? Well, my local supermarket frequently runs one or more rows of pumps empty, surely allowing condensation to form on the walls. When I have had cause to use them I find both our cars of two different manufacturer develop a cold running cough
which clears reasonably quickly.If I use my nearest Shell garage who is the same price as the supermarket but near the motorway and always seems to have a tanker in the yard I have no issues.
I do use Vpower, as even if it is a placebo effect my vehicles seem smoother.
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That is not the definition of a "religious view"
My post, my definition, my joke. Not intended to cause offence in any way.
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Since buying my towcar @ 13K miles, I've now completed a further 18K miles entirely on supermarket fuel apart from one fill-up in Scotland with no ill effects.
Tow car - Freelander 2 - bought as new 7 yrs ago,. 52000mls so far and well over half of that towing, and always using supermarket fuel bought throughout the British Isles, and no trouble so far, touch wood. Same with previous cars too.
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Since buying my towcar @ 13K miles, I've now completed a further 18K miles entirely on supermarket fuel apart from one fill-up in Scotland with no ill effects.
Tow car - Freelander 2 - bought as new 7 yrs ago,. 52000mls so far and well over half of that towing, and always using supermarket fuel bought throughout the British Isles, and no trouble so far, touch wood. Same with previous cars too.
My last towcar was bought at 95000 miles & driven to 180000 miles almost exclusively on supermarket fuel will no ill effects at all
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Since buying my towcar @ 13K miles, I've now completed a further 18K miles entirely on supermarket fuel apart from one fill-up in Scotland with no ill effects.
Tow car - Freelander 2 - bought as new 7 yrs ago,. 52000mls so far and well over half of that towing, and always using supermarket fuel bought throughout the British Isles, and no trouble so far, touch wood. Same with previous cars too.
My last towcar was bought at 95000 miles & driven to 180000 miles almost exclusively on supermarket fuel will no ill effects at all
Perhaps it had got used the supermarket fuel by the time you bought it!!
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Since buying my towcar @ 13K miles, I've now completed a further 18K miles entirely on supermarket fuel apart from one fill-up in Scotland with no ill effects.
Tow car - Freelander 2 - bought as new 7 yrs ago,. 52000mls so far and well over half of that towing, and always using supermarket fuel bought throughout the British Isles, and no trouble so far, touch wood. Same with previous cars too.
My last towcar was bought at 95000 miles & driven to 180000 miles almost exclusively on supermarket fuel will no ill effects at all
Perhaps it had got used the supermarket fuel by the time you bought it!!
maybe
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When you have covered 138k miles you might have a point, 38k miles is hardly run in!
I know many have done a lot more but if there was a problem with the fuel it should have shown up by now. The only person I know of who had a clogged filter was my daughter but she uses mainly branded fuel but that would have been at a similar mileage.
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Sorry to resurrect the Dodo but I was really interested to look at the BP Ultima web site. To all those that believe they get better or worse fuel consumption from different fuels, please take a look at the video. I will try and summarise:
A full tank of fuel (which tank, which fuel?) gives you 391 miles with a dirty engine. You could get an extra 21 miles with a clean engine. One way to get a clean engine is to use Ultima for a prolonged period. Saving about 5% mpg, extra cost of Ultima,
well, that would be about 5%.So, there you have it. Using the most expensive fuel available and assuming you have dirty injectors you might make a saving roughly equivalent to the additional cost (Depending on road condition, driving style etc. - it says) after prolonged use. Oh, but
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Correction - That would be BP Ultimate.
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When I bought my car in 2012 it displayed all the signs of injector loom failure, spoke to a few Passat owners on the owners group, they told me without being asked to stop using supermarket fuel. 3 and half years later running on nothing but Shell (40,000
miles) and the symptoms never returned.
The basic product is the same, it's the aditive package for each retailer that differs as well as storage quality, infact I had someone on this very group get very abusive to me over this subject so just Google it
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When I bought my car in 2012 it displayed all the signs of injector loom failure, spoke to a few Passat owners on the owners group, they told me without being asked to stop using supermarket fuel. 3 and half years later running on nothing but Shell (40,000 miles) and the symptoms never returned.
The basic product is the same, it's the aditive package for each retailer that differs as well as storage quality, infact I had someone on this very group get very abusive to me over this subject so just Google itOnly if you are buying the premium version of the fuel, otherwise there is no difference in the additives! And on a full tank of fuel, the additive equates to about a spoonful.
You cannot state it was because you have stopped using supermarket fuel as you have undertaken no comparative testing, all you have is weak anecdotal evidence that it stopped, coincident with using identical fuel from another source.
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My self and a few others have tried it, since using Jet I now get 10-15 m.p.g. more than I did using morrisons/asda.
When getting low m.p.g. with my punto the garage mecanics told me to use branded fuel, I never noticed any differance with petrol but D.E.R.V. is a different kettle of fish
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Dakota, see what the experts say, read it, it makes sense.
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