North Shields to Lake Garda

The Moodys
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Hi Guys, my family and I are traveling from North Shields on the overnight ferry to Amsterdam and heading to Lake Garda. We are in a Land Rover Defender pulling a 8m long twin axle caravan.

So far the idea is to get to Stuttgart for an overnight stop and then over the Alps to Lake Garda.

If anyone can give any advice, recommend campsites,routes to take and information will be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

jonathan 

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  • DavidKlyne
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    edited June 2016 #2

    This campsite is a good overnight near Stuttgart http://www.davidklyne.co.uk/camping_waldpark_hohenstadt.htm

    David

  • oldagetraveller
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    edited June 2016 #3

    We have just completed a similar route, Ijmuiden to Croatia and back.  Our first night was at s' Hertogenbosch to see the Bosch exhibition, which was only an hour or so from the port.  However the journey from there through Germany was fraught with road works and traffic jams.  This was end of April.  I think getting to Stuttgart on your first day might be ambitious, but it is doable.

    Our second night was at the interestingly named Waldorf Astoria, which is between Heidelberg and Karrlsruhe, 364 miles from Ijmuiden.  Given an official speed limit of 50mph when towing that is seven hours.  Even towing at 60 without holdups it is six hours.  Waldorf was a very useful site in that although there were a lot of permanent pitches, there is a large field (with hook ups, water etc,) for tourers.  There is room to stay hitched if you want a quick getaway next morning.  There is also a reasonably priced restaurant, but I cannot vouch for quality as it was closed when we were there on 27 April.

    I hope it won't affect you, but we stopped at a service station just south of Stuttgart next day and had to clear the snow from the car before we could set off again!.

    By the way I have to say the ferry crossing back on the night of 1 June was the roughest we have ever encountered.  I hope yours is better.  nevertheless it was interesting for me sailing down the Tyne, an area I Ilived in in the 50's.  By how it has changed.

  • oldagetraveller
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    edited June 2016 #4

    I would second David's comments about the site at Hohenstadt too.  Just beyond Stuttgart so it might be your second stop!  Might be useful on your journey back though, as it is a straightforward drive from Innsbruck ( camping Natterersee) over the Fern pass

  • ValDa
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    edited June 2016 #5

    Hi Jonathan, You don't say when you are going, but I imagine as you say 'my family' you're going during school holidays.  If so, then I would check out availability on the sort of sites you'd like at Lake Garda.  It's a very very popular area and not somewhere
    you can just turn up at a site and expect to find a pitch, particularly with an eight metre long twin axle as pitches in Italy tend to be small.  

    The 'Eurocampings' website shows 142 sites in the Italian Lakes, but only 87 of them accept twin axles (and yours is a very long
    twin) so I would check carefully with the sites before you set off.  It's a very long way to go to find you can't find a pitch which your caravan will fit on.

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  • ABM
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    edited June 2016 #7

    {  At  The  Grave  Risk  Of  Having  My  "Giggle  Permit"  Revoked  Cool  }

    I  know  DK  &  JwithaJ  are  dab  hands  at  'Moving'  things  but   I  really  do  think  Dave  has  really  truely  excelled  himself  this  time  in  Moving  North  Shields  to  Lake  Garda  !!

     

    Sorry,  I'll  just  carry  me  coat,  I'm  Off  !

    Brian

  • cyberyacht
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    edited June 2016 #8

    That has to be an improvement for North Shields if not for Lake Garda though. Wink

  • BlueVanMan
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    edited June 2016 #9

    Your total mileage is around 730 miles so if you have to do this in two days thats close to 365 miles for each day I don't know how experienced you are at continental driving of what is a pretty big outfit (go on tell me your day-job is a european trucker)
    but giving the likelyhood of traffic delays and also allowing for disembarking I also  think 365 miles is a lot for a first day. In fact last April we travelled from Ijmuiden through to Italy arriving at Karlsrhue (Azur Caping Turmberblick) in the early evening.
    The roads were very busy in both Germany and Italy and we did encounter heavy roadworks in Italy but with a small nimble campervan and higher speed limits we could make time up. Where the roads were clear we were cruising at 75mph . Day 2 was harder work and
    progress slower we arrived at Maggiore in the early evening. So unless you are prepared to have a long days driving it might be better to take three days.

    Whatever you decide have a great holiday

  • The Moodys
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    edited June 2016 #10

    Hi guys, thanks for the advice. We normally travel to The Dordogne with the same unit and the roads are quite quiet .We are traveling on the 28th July, so will be doing the Germany leg on a Friday. I'm guessing the roads in Germany are a lot busier? We have
    already booked the campsite at Lake Garda so we are ok at that end.

    Any tips on the roads going over the Alps, I'm expecting thin and bendy roads.

    thanks again

    jonathan

  • flatcoat
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    edited June 2016 #11

    The Brennar pass into Italy is motorway so apart from possible migrant/refugee issues is a doddle. The Ferne pass (if you go that way) is a bit twisty but nothing exceptional. What I would say is in Germany in summer the autobahns can be a car park in the holiday season, especially in a Saturday . Germans tend to drive to their holiday destinations so we always arrange our travelling to avoid Saturday driving. Italy is not much better especially the road to Garda from Austria, we drove part of it 2 summers ago on a Saturday from Seiser Alm to Garda and it was a nightmare. 

  • The Moodys
    The Moodys Forum Participant Posts: 3
    edited June 2016 #12

    Thanks Flatcoat for great information. We will be travelling from  Stuttgart to Lake Garda on the Saturday so we'll just have to plow on! Thanks again

  • meecee
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    edited June 2016 #13

    We travelled last year (Sept)  to Lake Garda via Colmar/Freiburg/Fern Pass/Brenner - the traffic was horrendous, even the Brenner pass was heavy slow moving traffic.  Some of this was no doubt caused by the closure of the Arlberg tunnel which I think is still out of action.  However this is probably not your route if you're going via the Alps.  (helpful - not!)

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited June 2016 #14

    Meecee

    The Arlberg Tunnel is open as we went through it about a week ago but just for reference its going to be closed again in 2017.

    David

  • damo1969
    damo1969 Forum Participant Posts: 26
    edited June 2016 #15

    We are setting off from Glasgow heading to Lake Garda in July. As my wife and I both work, we need to travel in the shortest time we can. This dictates the mileage I drive per day. My 1st days travel is to Black Horse Farm, some 470 miles. Day 2 will be
    a similar distance with Day 3 slightly shorter. It's a needs must situation, not ideal I know. I travelled the same route last year so I know what's ahead of me...

  • Lutz
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    edited June 2016 #16

    We have just returned from Lake Garda, but crossed through Switzerland using the St Gotthard tunnel rather than taking the Brenner route through Austria because it's a bit shorter and easier to drive, if not cheaper because of the cost of two vignettes that
    one needs for Switzerland.

  • flatcoat
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    edited June 2016 #17

    I would advise setting off as early as possible for the Saturday drive, if possible consider having breakfast en-route and keep any breaks short and snappy. another issue is Germany is investing in major autobahn upgrades across the country so roadworks
    is another delay. 

  • Dave Nicholson
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    edited June 2016 #18

    We drove north over the Fern Pass a week last Saturday and it was very busy and slow going south. Despite the Fern Pass being our preferred route I agree with Lutz that a quicker route would be through the St Gotthard tunnel but, as he says, the cost of
    the vignettes is significant