The things that really wind me up!
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Looks like we've lost page 3 of this post. I thought that this problem had been solved, but obviously not!! Sorry off topic but it is annoying!!
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Club members on a rally starting up four vehicles at 0530 and leaving engines running while they get ready to leave.
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Not respecting others views?, agreed. We all have different takes on most subjects, we will disagree with some & agree with others but the respecting of the contrary views is something the intelligent do automatically, others prefer to trash those views & belittle. Not acceptable.
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(waiting for a -1 which usually happens)
Yep...that would be me then!
Unfortunately I disagree (and really you can't argue with that, else it would be hypocritical based on your statement above - see the issue!)
As per Brian Cox's quote, which I fundamentally agree with:
- I respect that others have a right to their own views and opinions BUT am under no obligation to respect those views, particularly is it is factually or morally incorrect. THAT is the intelligent thing to do!
Blindly accepting and respecting other people views can be morally repugnant, just look at some of the practices that go on around the world, the abuse of children and women sanctioned by medieval religious texts.
I can accept that they have a different view based on a different culture - but don't you dare tell me I must respect what they are doing!
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Not respecting others views?, agreed. We all have different takes on most subjects, we will disagree with some & agree with others but the respecting of the contrary views is something the intelligent do automatically, others prefer to trash those views
& belittle. Not acceptable.+ 1
(waiting for a -1 which usually happens)
Yep...that would be me then!
Unfortunately I disagree (and really you can't argue with that, else it would be hypocritical based on your statement above - see the issue!)
As per Brian Cox's quote, which I fundamentally agree with:
- I respect that others have a right to their own views and opinions BUT am under no obligation to respect those views, particularly is it is factually or morally incorrect. THAT is the intelligent thing to do!
Blindly accepting and respecting other people views can be morally repugnant, just look at some of the practices that go on around the world, the abuse of children and women sanctioned by medieval religious texts.
I can accept that they have a different view based on a different culture - but don't you dare tell me I must respect what they are doing!
I agree with you CJ, I don't mind a good debate or counter example, I don't expect anyone to agree with what I'm writing, but I just don;t get putting the -1 bit and nothing else, which was the point I was making. A +1 is a simple way of agreeing with a
post, you (one) could put I agree I know, but -1 is just so lacking in anything. I don't think you have ever done that have you? Perhaps its duue to my education and training and job but when you disagree with something I always try and explain why? Some really
cannot do that (certainly not you) and resort to insulting the person rather than the argument, playing the man (sorry person) not the ball.0 -
....and I fully agree with what you have put CS!
Perhaps a mistake on my part, I should have quoted Rocky's separately, it was to Rocky my main reesponse was to!
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And also in response to Rocky's:
"respecting of the contrary views is something the intelligent do automatically"
That is completely at odds with basic scientific principles (as you CS, part of my job).
Intelligent people consider the views of others and based on critical analysis and evidence, will if required change their views accordingly - THAT is what really intelligent people do!
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I think we've got a bit lost in semantics now!
At the end of the day, my view, for what it's worth, is that one should always respect another's right to hold a view and express it ( even then within the limits of common decency) whilst there is no compunction to agree with or even respect that view itself.
And always bearing in mind that views and facts are two completely different things.Is that pretty much what you meant?
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....and I fully agree with what you have put CS!
Perhaps a mistake on my part, I should have quoted Rocky's separately, it was to Rocky my main reesponse was to!
Ok thanks
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I think we've got a bit lost in semantics now!
At the end of the day, my view, for what it's worth, is that one should always respect another's right to hold a view and express it ( even then within the limits of common decency) whilst there is no compunction to agree with or even respect that view itself. And always bearing in mind that views and facts are two completely different things.
Is that pretty much what you meant?
Indeed
(...it may be 'semantics' on the page, but I do see this as a real issue in the real world - there are examples every day in the news papers where people / groups / cults think their actual opions / dogma / views SHOULD be respected, based on no other reason than that they think it should and then go on to demand recognition / dispensation / resources etc. etc. Furthermore in our race to "inclusivity", many times they are getting it.)
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just look at some of the practices that go on around the world, the abuse of children and women sanctioned by medieval religious texts.
I would say "sanctioned by the present interpretation of medieval texts for personal gain".
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And also in response to Rocky's:
"respecting of the contrary views is something the intelligent do automatically"
That is completely at odds with basic scientific principles (as you CS, part of my job).
Intelligent people consider the views of others and based on critical analysis and evidence, will if required change their views accordingly - THAT is what really intelligent people do!
CJ, we are discussing things(on CT) in a very standard fashion, you say, I say, we say fashion not a debate to gain points or to flaunt any individuals higher/superior eduction. I enjoy the discussions, regardless of whether I agree with the subject matter
I will respect that persons right to their opinion. I prefer not to enter into the minutiae of hidden meanings or to attempt to cast any aspersions re that individuals level of intelligence. . . .It just don't register
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As soon as it gets too deep I bail, purely because it becomes boring. Debating society CT ain't-gladly0 -
just look at some of the practices that go on around the world, the abuse of children and women sanctioned by medieval religious texts.
I would say "sanctioned by the present interpretation of medieval texts for personal gain".
Probably......especially because if we were sticking to the texts as written, we would still have slaves and be stoning people, raping them or sacrificing them all over the shop!
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And also in response to Rocky's:
"respecting of the contrary views is something the intelligent do automatically"
That is completely at odds with basic scientific principles (as you CS, part of my job).
Intelligent people consider the views of others and based on critical analysis and evidence, will if required change their views accordingly - THAT is what really intelligent people do!
CJ, we are discussing things(on CT) in a very standard fashion, you say, I say, we say fashion not a debate to gain points or to flaunt any individuals higher/superior eduction. I enjoy the discussions, regardless of whether I agree with the subject matter I will respect that persons right to their opinion. I prefer not to enter into the minutiae of hidden meanings or to attempt to cast any aspersions re that individuals level of intelligence. . . .It just don't register
. As soon as it gets too deep I bail, purely because it becomes boring. Debating society CT ain't-gladlySometimes things get misinterpreted.
I read it that you were stating that, "respecting of the contrary views is something the intelligent do automatically"
I had stated, I respected a persons right to have an alternate view, but was not forced to respect their view.
Ergo - You were calling me thick for my view / lack of respect!
I like a good debate - no harm no foul as they say
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And also in response to Rocky's:
"respecting of the contrary views is something the intelligent do automatically"
That is completely at odds with basic scientific principles (as you CS, part of my job).
Intelligent people consider the views of others and based on critical analysis and evidence, will if required change their views accordingly - THAT is what really intelligent people do!
CJ, we are discussing things(on CT) in a very standard fashion, you say, I say, we say fashion not a debate to gain points or to flaunt any individuals higher/superior eduction. I enjoy the discussions, regardless of whether I agree with the subject matter
I will respect that persons right to their opinion. I prefer not to enter into the minutiae of hidden meanings or to attempt to cast any aspersions re that individuals level of intelligence. . . .It just don't register.
As soon as it gets too deep I bail, purely because it becomes boring. Debating society CT ain't-gladlySometimes things get misinterpreted.
I read it that you were stating that, "respecting of the contrary views is something the intelligent do automatically"
I had stated, I respected a persons right to have an alternate view, but was not forced to respect their view.
Ergo - You were calling me thick for my view / lack of respect!
I like a good debate - no harm no foul as they say
CJ, you ain't thick, you know that. I have not taken any of your postings within this thread as anything but your take on things. We can agree or disagree as always
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Re the OP, as I said on the missing page 3
Hypocrities.
Cyclist who insist on using the pavement when there is an alloted cycle lane on the road available, and the abuse one gets for telling them to use it.
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Re the OP, as I said on the missing page 3
Hypocrities.
Cyclist who insist on using the pavement when there is an alloted cycle lane on the road available, and the abuse one gets for telling them to use it.
..the father of modern medicine?...that's a bit harsh!
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Mis-reading people hates!
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To get back on track I can't be doing with people who when asked a question always start the answer with the word " so". I also don't get the phrases creeping into modern usage " back in the day" when they mean "in the past" or " going forward " when they
mean "in the future "Rant over I'll get back in my box
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The English language has always evolved, we don't speak like the 16th century Shakespeare anymore, but we do understand most of the words. The language will continue to evolve as the major dictionaries update themselves with the new words of popular culture,
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How far 'back in the day' do you go papgeno?
From thew tinterweb:
The phrase “back in the day” has been around since at least the 1940s, and the phrase “back in the days” has been around a lot longer, since the 18th century.
But in those earlier usages, “back in the day” and “back in the days” were part of larger phrases that mentioned specific periods in the past.
Here’s an example of this earlier use of “back in the day” fromThe Blood Remembers, a 1941 novel by Helen Hedricks, wife of the publisher Alfred A. Knopf:
“I was back in the day when his father was buried, and the bright sun was killing the purple asters in Sam’s bent hands.”
And here’s a much earlier example of “back in the days” from an 1816 biography of Eudoxia Lopukhina, the first consort of Peter the Great, by Carl Theodor von Unlanski:
“The human race had learned to write—to make impressions with objects which are the equivalents of writer’s tools — away back in the days when the cuneiform folk put their marks into stones, and the cave men of prehistoric France daubed colored hieroglyphics.”
We found an even earlier example (“back in the days of Hezekiah”) in an undated sermon among the collected writings of the Rev. Ebenezer Erskine, a Scottish minister who lived from 1680 to 1754.
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The usage isn’t as new as you might think. The OED’s earliest example is from the works of Thomas More, written sometime before he was executed in 1535:
“There must it nedes bee long ere anye good conclusion goe forwarde.”
http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2012/07/going-forward.html
Love learning etymology - thanks for the post papgeno!
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Possibly the worst thing about forums, although I feel sorry for those poor people ,, are those with no proper communication skills who believe that to contribute to a thread is to go into a rant, fling all their toys out of the pram and attack anybody who has a different opinion to their own
This behavior has no place on any forum.
.Shame really , intelligent people just treat those rants as coming from those with no communication skills. Those rants never wind up anybody.
K
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Possibly the worst thing about forums, although I feel sorry for those poor people are those with no proper communication skills and believe that to contribute to a thread is to go into a rant, fling all their toys out of the pram and attack anybody who
has a different opinion to their ownThis behavior has no place on any forum.
.Shame really , intelligent people just treat those rants as coming from those with no communication skills. Those rants never wind up anybody.
K
Well, there are no "poor people with no communication skills" on this forum wouldn't you agree Kennine?
Or people who think of themselves as more intelligent than others?
I'm sure you're not commenting about anyone on here?
Perish the thought!
Cheers
Bugs
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Possibly the worst thing about forums, although I feel sorry for those poor people are those with no proper communication skills and believe that to contribute to a thread is to go into a rant, fling all their toys out of the pram and attack anybody who
has a different opinion to their ownThis behavior has no place on any forum.
.Shame really , intelligent people just treat those rants as coming from those with no communication skills. Those rants never wind up anybody.
K
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Possibly the worst thing about forums, although I feel sorry for those poor people ,, are those with no proper communication skills and believe that to contribute to a thread is to go into a rant, fling all their toys out of the pram and attack anybody
who has a different opinion to their ownThis behavior has no place on any forum.
.Shame really , intelligent people just treat those rants as coming from those with no communication skills. Those rants never wind up anybody.
K
I'd agree there K. Unfortunately too common in many forums, must be the that negative aspect of human nature in some of us. Must say though that some do eventually see the error of their ways and become valued contributors.
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those with no proper communication skills who believe that to contribute to a thread is to go into a rant, fling all their toys out of the pram and attack anybody who has a different opinion to their own
Monkey see - monkey do.
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I'm a fairly laid back person so very little bothers me unless one of my family is unwell.
It's politics I enjoy arguing about but don't do it on this forum as it is disallowed.
K
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getting a wee deep 
