No repair - Panasonic

Rubytuesday
Rubytuesday Forum Participant Posts: 952
edited April 2016 in General Chat #1

Panasonic are refusing to repair an £800 t v because the owners smoke Surprised

Now I am not a smoker( detest it ,)  we have friends and relatives  who smoke, just because they choose to smoke doesn't mean they are bad or careless people

I have never seen signs or had a salesman ask us if we smoke and inform us if we do then your not covered by the extended warranty on your t v 

 

 

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  • tombar
    tombar Forum Participant Posts: 408
    edited April 2016 #2

    Yet another "get out" clauseTongue Out.  Shame on these firms.  Bascially, it really means that they have no faith in their equipment

  • DavidKlyne
    DavidKlyne Club Member Posts: 13,860 ✭✭✭
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    edited April 2016 #3

    Having been involved in the electrical trade during my career its certainly a new one on me but technology has probably moved on a lot since then. However if Panasonic can prove that smoke/nicotine is causing the issue they have a right to refuse to repair
    under warranty as its self inflicted. 

    David

  • Whittakerr
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    edited April 2016 #4

    I don't know any of the details so could be completely wrong, but is it anything to do with protecting an employee whilst at work.

    i would refuse to work in to a smoke filled room, and would expect the smoker to refrain while I was their. 

    Smoking in a workplace is illegal.

    Edit. Just found the article. Nothing to do with smoking in a workplace. Embarassed

  • Oneputt
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    edited April 2016 #5

    The problem with posts like this we only ever get one view and generally that is lacking in detail so is difficult to know exactly wha happened.  Consumer programmes always advise that we read the small print and I guess a lot of us don't 

  • Metheven
    Metheven Club Member Posts: 3,987 ✭✭✭
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    edited April 2016 #6

    TV's have rights as well you know Laughing

  • Rubytuesday
    Rubytuesday Forum Participant Posts: 952
    edited April 2016 #7

    I don't know any of the details so could be completely wrong, but is it anything to do with protecting an employee whilst at work.

    i would refuse to work in to a smoke filled room, and would expect the smoker to refrain while I was their. 

    Smoking in a workplace is illegal.

    Edit. Just found the article. Nothing to do with smoking in a workplace. Embarassed

    Write your comments here...no but they "panosonic " believe smoking in the home caused the problem ,
    Surprisedwhich I suppose can be seen as self inflicted ,
    Undecidedtherefore yes I think they have a right to refuse.
    Sad But the point I was making was should this be documented  in advertisements  ect so all those who smoke in the home know the risk 

  • Briang
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    edited April 2016 #8

    I have always bought Panasonic TV's and never had a problem with any of them. When i press the on button they switch on and work perfectly. Maybe smoking has got something to do with it. We don't smoke. It's a filthy habit.

  • byron
    byron Forum Participant Posts: 120
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    edited April 2016 #9

    Back in the 70s my parents ran a pub, there was a TV in the public bar mainly for watching horse racing, when it broke down the man from Rediffusion would come out to repair it and he always blamed the buid up of tar & nicotine

  • IanH
    IanH Forum Participant Posts: 4,708
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    edited April 2016 #10

    Does the guarantee exclude cover for people who smoke? 

  • hostahousey
    hostahousey Forum Participant Posts: 7,240 ✭✭✭
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    edited April 2016 #11

    Having been involved in the electrical trade during my career its certainly a new one on me but technology has probably moved on a lot since then. However if Panasonic can prove that smoke/nicotine is causing the issue they have a right to refuse to repair
    under warranty as its self inflicted. 

    David

      Surely if what you say is true David , then the customer should be made aware of the no smoking clause on purchase or should be included in the contract  document.

  • Rubytuesday
    Rubytuesday Forum Participant Posts: 952
    edited April 2016 #12

    Having been involved in the electrical trade during my career its certainly a new one on me but technology has probably moved on a lot since then. However if Panasonic can prove that smoke/nicotine is causing the issue they have a right to refuse to repair
    under warranty as its self inflicted. 

    David

      Surely if what you say is true David , then the customer should be made aware of the no smoking clause on purchase or should be included in the contract  document.

    Write your comments here...exactly what I was saying in previous post hosta Surely every one should be told 

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited April 2016 #13

    Having been involved in the electrical trade during my career its certainly a new one on me but technology has probably moved on a lot since then. However if Panasonic can prove that smoke/nicotine is causing the issue they have a right to refuse to repair under warranty as its self inflicted. 

    David

      Surely if what you say is true David , then the customer should be made aware of the no smoking clause on purchase or should be included in the contract  document.

    Do we know that Panasonic don't say something about environmental polution and how it might cause problems? One of the big issues these days is that when you buy something like the a TV you have to go online for a full instruction manual but many make do with the quick start guide. The person concerned claims they both smoke 20 a day how do we know if that is an under estimation. Would they have stopped smoking if they had realised it was a problem? People can't escape their own responsibilities.

    David

  • hostahousey
    hostahousey Forum Participant Posts: 7,240 ✭✭✭
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    edited April 2016 #14

    Makes you wonder what the next get out clause will be . Could it be because you cook in the same room or even the same house. Or because you use a certain cleansing product ,or just 

    you live there?

     

  • carvanner100
    carvanner100 Forum Participant Posts: 42
    edited April 2016 #15

    As an ex service engineer,  tar  deposit  from smoke  has corrosive, insulating, and light masking  properties, and can play havoc with electrical and optical  components

    So if the fault itself was caused by the people smoking, then the item is not faulty  

    Why should Panasonic take responsibility, if the fault was caused by the smokers 

  • redface
    redface Forum Participant Posts: 1,701
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    edited April 2016 #16

    As mentioned before, it is not IF the nicotine did the damage, but whether Panasonic should have alerted their purchasers to the get out clause (if there is one.)  Otherwise it could be said that they were negligent in not advising customers to refrain from
    smoking.  Could  it be said that they had built a TV set that was 'Not fit for purpose', bearing in mind that it is perfectly legal to smoke in one's own home? 

  • hostahousey
    hostahousey Forum Participant Posts: 7,240 ✭✭✭
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    edited April 2016 #17

    As mentioned before, it is not IF the nicotine did the damage, but whether Panasonic should have alerted their purchasers to the get out clause (if there is one.)  Otherwise it could be said that they were negligent in not advising customers to refrain from
    smoking.  Could  it be said that they had built a TV set that was 'Not fit for purpose', bearing in mind that it is perfectly legal to smoke in one's own home? 

       And possibly in front of a TV that's not made by Panasonic !

  • Metheven
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    edited April 2016 #18

    I had a Panasonic toaster that smoked, with no help from me Innocent

  • carvanner100
    carvanner100 Forum Participant Posts: 42
    edited April 2016 #19

    No get our clause need, unless you view  statutory consumer law as a get out clause  .

    The fault was caused by a third party,  and outside factors, which Panasonic , or any other manufacturer has no control over. The fault was not a manufacturing fault, the fault was caused  by the direct actions, of the purchaser.