Cycle Paths

hostahousey
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edited January 2016 in General Chat #1

Why don't most cyclists use them?

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  • bestboy
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    edited January 2016 #2

    I think most cyclists do use them when available - you only notice the awkward beggars who don't!

  • rogher
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    edited January 2016 #3

    They are the ones who ride in pedestrian precincts.

  • Fisherman
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    edited January 2016 #4

    Simply because they are pig headed. Here in North Wales we have dedicated cycly paths on very narrow roads. Do cyclists use them No- they stay on the main carriage way. Its high time cyclists were properly regulated, licenced and paid their wack. You can
    see that I am quite uncompromising on this subject.

  • cyberyacht
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    edited January 2016 #5

    Cycly paths are eschewed by some as they don't always facilitate the speed that the cyclist wishes to maintain. They'd rather go a few mph faster in the road and slow all the cars instead.

  • rogher
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    edited January 2016 #6

    Is "cycly" Welsh for something, Fisherman? Surprised

    Agree about better regulation.

  • kenexton
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    edited January 2016 #7

    Other than the TransPennine Trail there are no cycle paths anywhere around the Penistone/Holmfith area and no cycle lanes at the road sides-apart from a short stretch between Shepley and Shelley in Kirklees.It would be lovely to be able to cycle separated
    from the speeding repmobiles and lorries- fat chance!

  • tombar
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    edited January 2016 #8

    FrownI would use them if there were more of them.  I used to cycle to work, along the busy A57 to Manchester, but there was no cycle path and
    it was becoming too dangerous on the road

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited January 2016 #9

    Part of the reason that they don't get used all the time is that they collect all the small sharp bits of stones and thorns pushed there by motor vehicles, causing punctures. If they were regularly swept clean then I think that they'd be used more.

  • redface
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    edited January 2016 #10

    It seems that some like to play 'chicken' with pedestrians. They try to get as close as possible, on footpaths, without actually hitting the walkers.  Most seem not to be able to ping their bell, to give advance warning of their prescence. 

  • hostahousey
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    edited January 2016 #11

    Most seem not to be able to ping their bell, to give advance warning of their prescence. 

         Does the modern cycle have a bell ?

  • Bakers2
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    edited January 2016 #12

    Most seem not to be able to ping their bell, to give advance warning of their prescence. 

         Does the modern cycle have a bell ?

    When we purchased a new bicycle recently we were told it was illegal to sell the cycle without a bell.  The bell is NOT included in the price in some shops.  What you do about the bell when you leave the shop is up to you.  Even if the cyclist doesn't have
    a bell they could call out to let you know they are there.  I mean saying something nice and polite nothing rude.  Any cycleways around here are shared with pedestrains and they generally have no defined sides for either
    Surprised  In some places the paths are not wide enough for two cycles going in opposite directions to pass, without adding in a pedestrain
    without a pushchair or wheelchair.  They have certainly not had any proper thought given to them - probably meeting targets
    Wink

  • rogher
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    edited January 2016 #13

    Most seem not to be able to ping their bell, to give advance warning of their prescence. 

         Does the modern cycle have a bell ?

    I’ve bought five new cycles in the past ten years and only the most recent had a bell fitted.

  • rogher
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    edited January 2016 #14

    When sharing a path with other users, I usually try to make others aware of my presence in a rather more subtle way than pinging my bell and demanding passage but there are some who seem to delight in taking people by surprise.

  • brue
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    edited January 2016 #15

    When out waIking I can't hear cyclists approaching from behind on roads or paths. I've got a bell on my my bike so I always use it. Some of the cycle paths are very busy with both walkers and cyclists. I often walk on the Camel Trail and it can get like the M5!

  • rogher
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    edited January 2016 #16

    I have been tempted to use the cycle-designated path, when it’s not busy, to walk on the inner side of a long curve. This has been on the basis that it’s easy for a cyclist to pass around me and as a mild protest that too many cyclists invade ‘my’ space
    on pedestrian precincts, so it’s an opportunity to invade ‘theirs’.

  • Cherokee2015
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    edited January 2016 #17

    As I cyclist and motorist I can see both views.    I often moan that the cyclists don't use the off road lanes provided but on reflection they do slow you down - not in speed but because you have to stop to give way at every road crossing etc whereas on the road you can just keep going.    Pedestrians often stray unwittingly onto the cycle side of shared paths, despite using bells and/or shouting in warning.

    For on-road cycle routes, it is true, the attract all the debris, litter, broken glass and other rubbish left in there, plus all the pot holes which council can't be bothered to fix and can cause swerving, or falls not to mention damage to the bike.     Added to this, car drivers often veer into on-road cycle lanes either accidentally or more often on purpose (to block the access for a cyclist).     It's not easy being a cyclist as you never seem to be able to do right!

    A lot of motorists and pedestrians who condemn cyclists should really try it now and again and see how bad conditions can be.    And as for lights etc, I am also frustrated by the lack of lights on cycles, lack of bright clothing but you won't miss me as I have a bright pink coat, numerous reflective attachments and my bike is lit up like a Christmas Tree. 

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #18

    ....A lot of motorists and pedestrians who condemn cyclists should really try it now and again and  .... 

    No thanks .... Wink

  • Fisherman
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    edited January 2016 #19

    Cyclists who drive seem totake on a different personality once they get on their bikes-Road Hogs comes to mind. Unfortunately like most things driven by vested interests (Sustrans) its a case of spending public monies without any real thought. You only have
    to see the foot thick tarmac roads built over our mountains here in North Wales.Never used by cyclists who persist in using the highays. Why??

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited January 2016 #20

    Geraint Thomas must despair some days! And he is so proud to be Welsh!

    Common sense and toleration, from drivers, cyclists, pedestrians, that's all it needs really. 

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2016 #21

    We have shared cycle/pedestrian paths all round where we live with line down the center with pictures of either cycle or pedestrian on but the Lycra cyclists do not use them as they are "obstructed by the speed?" Their words when questioned!!Surprised!
    So would rather obstruct people who have paid to use the roads,YellI think if cycle paths are there and ignored then they should be given a ticket
    for causing an obstructionWink

  • Cherokee2015
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    edited January 2016 #22

    So what happens when you all come across a horse being ridden on the road - screech past it as close as possible hounding it as it's causing an obstruction then berate it for being on the road and to get on the footpath?     Cyclists, horses and cars/lorries
    all have the right to be on the roadway.    It's nothing to do with 'paying for it'     Cyclists are not causing an obstruction any more than a caravan is - it's just a myth.   The traffic will flow according to the current conditions.

    As as previous poster has stated we all need to be tolerant of each other whichever mode of transport we use and be aware of others around us.  

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2016 #23

    So what happens when you all come across a horse being ridden on the road - screech past it as close as possible hounding it as it's causing an obstruction then berate it for being on thhe road and to get on the footpath?     Cyclists, horses and cars/lorries all have the right to be on the roadway.    It's nothing to do with 'paying for it'     Cyclists are not causing an obstruction any more than a caravan is - it's just a myth.   The traffic will flow according to the current conditions.

    As as previous poster has stated we all need to be tolerant of each other whichever mode of transport we use and be aware of others around us.  

    Write your comments here...

    So what happens when you all come across a horse being ridden on the road - screech past it as close as possible hounding it as it's causing an obstruction then berate it for being on the road and to get on the footpath?     Cyclists, horses and cars/lorries all have the right to be on the roadway.    It's nothing to do with 'paying for it'     Cyclists are not causing an obstruction any more than a caravan is - it's just a myth.   The traffic will flow according to the current conditions.

    As as previous poster has stated we all need to be tolerant of each other whichever mode of transport we use and be aware of others around us.  

    tell that to the Lycra loutsSurprisedand you do not tend to get that many horses in urban environments where cycle paths are usedUndecided

  • Cherokee2015
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      So what happens when you all come across a horse being ridden on the road - screech past it as close as possible hounding it as it's causing an obstruction then berate it for being on the road and to get on the footpath?     Cyclists, horses and cars/lorries
    all have the right to be on the roadway.    It's nothing to do with 'paying for it'     Cyclists are not causing an obstruction any more than a caravan is - it's just a myth.   The traffic will flow according to the current conditions.

    As as previous poster has stated we all need to be tolerant of each other whichever mode of transport we use and be aware of others around us.  

    tell that to the Lycra loutsSurprisedand you do not tend to get that many horses in urban environments where cycle paths are usedUndecided

    We do around here funnily enough BUT my comments were aimed at the generalisation of cyclists being an obstruction!

  • JVB66
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      So what happens when you all come across a horse being ridden on the road - screech past it as close as possible hounding it as it's causing an obstruction then berate it for being on the road and to get on the footpath?     Cyclists, horses and cars/lorries all have the right to be on the roadway.    It's nothing to do with 'paying for it'     Cyclists are not causing an obstruction any more than a caravan is - it's just a myth.   The traffic will flow according to the current conditions.

    As as previous poster has stated we all need to be tolerant of each other whichever mode of transport we use and be aware of others around us.  

    tell that to the Lycra loutsSurprisedand you do not tend to get that many horses in urban environments where cycle paths are usedUndecided

    We do around here funnily enough BUT my comments were aimed at the generalisation of cyclists being an obstruction!

    ...That's not what I said if you read it again! And the horse riders from the 7 livery stables +the numerous owners who have their own facilities tend to use the numerous bridle ways or access to the countryside round here the other stud we have tend to use their own gallops

  • Tammygirl
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    edited January 2016 #26

    Don't have this problem where we live we don't have cycle pathsFrown

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2016 #27

    Don't have this problem where we live we don't have cycle pathsFrown

    ...Do you need them? If so have a word with Nicola Then she can have a chat with her mate Dave !Wink

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited January 2016 #28

    So what happens when you all come across a horse being ridden on the road - screech past it as close as possible hounding it as it's causing an obstruction then berate it for being on the road and to get on the footpath?     Cyclists, horses and cars/lorries
    all have the right to be on the roadway.    It's nothing to do with 'paying for it'     Cyclists are not causing an obstruction any more than a caravan is - it's just a myth.   The traffic will flow according to the current conditions.

    As as previous poster has stated we all need to be tolerant of each other whichever mode of transport we use and be aware of others around us.  

    previous poster was me, and I deliberately didn't mention horses. But I will now. As an ex horse owner/ rider, with lots of horsey friends, you quickly learn just how intolerant and plain stupid some people can be when forced to share a road or pathway.
    Two friends with horses killed, and an OH who as a member of emergency services was forced to hold and watch as a vet shot a severely injured horse. The rider was dead when he got there. All the bravado and talk of selfishness and paying to use the road will
    never bring either horse or very young rider back. So a bit more common sense, and a lot more tolerance will help everyone.

  • Tammygirl
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    edited January 2016 #29

    Don't have this problem where we live we don't have cycle pathsFrown

    ...Do you need them? If so have a word with Nicola Then she can have a chat with her mate Dave !Wink

    Yes we do, been campaigning for years for one from our village into the next one, its the farmers that are the stumbling block, the council and others have proposed and agreed routes but the farmers don't want to agree it. 

    As to the rest of the your post can't comment as its not allowed to be rude on CT Sealed

  • tigerfish
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    edited January 2016 #30

    Down here in Bristol we won £24m from the Govt to spend on encouraging cycling. It was spent on creating dedicated cycling routes which created cycling only corridors which nertwoked the City and outer areas and it is now possible to ride quite long distances in complete safety to get to work.  businesses were encouraged not only to provide racks for bikes but cycle changing rooms with showers etc where cyclists could change from cycling gear to work clothes etc. Other  monies were spent on the schools safe cycling program. 

    We now have thousands who ride to work and the roads are that much less crowded.  Think about it. For every 20 cyclists that you see that probably represents at least 10 less cars ahead of you!

    TF

  • tigerfish
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    edited January 2016 #31

    The £24million was  Offered to major Cities by the Govt to promote cycling on Health grounds, and in order to ease conjection. We won the 'Cycling City" award as a result.  Its very early days yet, but all the cycle routes are up and signposted and well used.  Several companies have installed shower & changing rooms for their staff.

    TF