Saving gas
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Write your comments here...If a campsite owner decides they have to take action as the electricity bill is becoming to expensive and decide to go down the route of metering or just push the price up then we all have to pay more because of the few who are taking advantage.
How is using service that has been provided and charged for taking advantage?
Write your comments here...so you are happy for other people to subsidise your over use of electricity, because that is what it would amount to
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I don't see how it's possible to 'over-use' electricity in France, where the 'paid for' supply rarely exceeds 6 amps at an average cost of probably 3.50 euros per day. Even when included as part of the pitch fee the supply is obviously calculated at average use, and charged accordingly. The average barbecue or grill will run on a 6 amp supply (being 1400w or 1600w) so I can't see how that can be considered 'over-useage'.
Our reasons for using electricity for cooking aren't about 'taking advantage' but for the convenience of being able to cook outside in the heat, and the sun, using normal pans (not a barbecue) or a little electric oven. You can't do that with a gas supply.
However, I can see that there are differing views on this, and as I personally don't consider that we over-use electricity, but do pay for what the owners wish to charge us for using it, then I shall leave others to their own opinions.
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Over use?, is this definition skewed to 1 persons idea of 'how things should be done?' Why can't those with the view of 'my way is the only way' just stick to their way & stop harassing others, it's not acceptable. There are lots of things I personally don't
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fair comment, i would say....
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fair comment, i would say....
really! so what if you arrived with a full tank and used it while on that site, surely you would be justified in refilling be for leaving.
thats true, youre right TG, i was just relating that we tend to arrive with an empty tank and fill on arrival, possibly topping up during our stay, but not much.....ie using what we put in the tank....
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Write your comments here...If a campsite owner decides they have to take action as the electricity bill is becoming to expensive and decide to go down the route of metering or just push the price up then we all have to pay more because of the few
who are taking advantage.How is using service that has been provided and charged for taking advantage?
Write your comments here...so you are happy for other people to subsidise your over use of electricity, because that is what it would amount to
If the use is reasonable and an electric hotplate seems to be that I see no problem. What I object to is blatant wastage.
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Write your comments here...If a campsite owner decides they have to take action as the electricity bill is becoming to expensive and decide to go down the route of metering or just push the price up then we all have to pay more because of the few who are taking advantage.
How is using service that has been provided and charged for taking advantage?
Write your comments here...so you are happy for other people to subsidise your over use of electricity, because that is what it would amount to
I really find statements like that very depressing - you must have such a low opinion of fellow caravanners if you think they might be so profligate that you end up subsidisng them to any great extent.
Look - when you go out for an evening with friends and buy a round of drinks, do you keep a record of what yours and theirs cost so that they can settle up with you at the end of the night if theirs are more expensive - you wouldn't want to be subsidisng their drinking would you?
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Well said Val. I have been on many sites in Europe where electric is metered, with an initial amount included in site fee. I have never been charged excess on the meter reading.
On the subject of water filling , I have never understood the reason for carring the extra weight of a full tank if going to a site with a water suplly.
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Look - when you go out for an evening with friends and buy a round of drinks, do you keep a record of what yours and theirs cost so that they can settle up with you at the end of the night if theirs are more expensive - you wouldn't want to be subsidisng
their drinking would you?When a group of women go out for a meal they always seem to pay for exactly what they have eaten
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Look - when you go out for an evening with friends and buy a round of drinks, do you keep a record of what yours and theirs cost so that they can settle up with you at the end of the night if theirs are more expensive - you wouldn't want to be subsidisng
their drinking would you?When a group of women go out for a meal they always seem to pay for exactly what they have eaten
Oh yes, cause some have extras
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I really find statements like that very depressing - you must have such a low opinion of fellow caravanners if you think they might be so profligate that you end up subsidisng them to any great extent.
I think that the answer to that moulsy is fear at the thought that others may be getting a little bit more than them.
Quite selfish really, life's too short to enter into petty squabbles, live and let live I say, Not a very relaxing way to have a holiday if you are constantly uptight over other peoples energy use. We go through life with a smile on our faces and are happy,
not a scowl and the miserable outlook that comes with it........
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Write your comments here...If a campsite owner decides they have to take action as the electricity bill is becoming to expensive and decide to go down the route of metering or just push the price up then we all have to pay more because of the few who are
taking advantage.How is using service that has been provided and charged for taking advantage?
Write your comments here...so you are happy for other people to subsidise your over use of electricity, because that is what it would amount to
I really find statements like that very depressing - you must have such a low opinion of fellow caravanners if you think they might be so profligate that you end up subsidisng them to any great extent.
Look - when you go out for an evening with friends and buy a round of drinks, do you keep a record of what yours and theirs cost so that they can settle up with you at the end of the night if theirs are more expensive - you wouldn't want to be subsidisng
their drinking would you?its interesting that, when suggesting a non-ehu option that relied on members 'trust', there were squeals that some would cheat or hook up into someone elses bollard.....
are these the same members, no doubt, that feel their use of an 'inclusive' system is beyond reproach....?
members are either good eggs (and we shouldnt lambast anyone, whatever process they are asked to use) or theyre a rotten bunch that fiddle everything, given the chance....
i expect there is a bit of both.....some will definitely overuse the current system, some would abuse any 'trust' system....
but its no good throwing our hands up in the air, we have to accept our position and move on.....either system could be a little 'fairer' if they were managed better.....but that takes effort.
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Forgot to mention, I have blown site fuses whilst cooking. In Germany most fuse boxes are locked, so you have to call the warden. After keeping me waiting for a long time, the muttered comment was " you British with your water heaters". So I wasn't the first
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Forgot to mention, I have blown site fuses whilst cooking. In Germany most fuse boxes are locked, so you have to call the warden. After keeping me waiting for a long time, the muttered comment was " you British with your water heaters". So I wasn't the first and proably not the last.
Well we avoid that by never using our water heater, and always washing up and showering in the site 'ablutions' block using water supplied and heated by the site! This saves over-useage of 'our' paid for electricity. Are we taking advantage, do you think?
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Forgot to mention, I have blown site fuses whilst cooking. In Germany most fuse boxes are locked, so you have to call the warden. After keeping me waiting for a long time, the muttered comment was " you British with your water heaters". So I wasn't the first
and proably not the last.Well we avoid that by always washing up and showering in the site 'ablutions' block - and using water supplied and heated by the site! This saves over-useage of 'our' paid for electricity. Are we taking advantage, do you think?
By George I think She's got it, no guilt due to the peer pressure to use minimally, genius Valda, genius
I'm converted. I just hope
I don't start wandering around sites seeking out non 'ablutions blockers'. . . .That would be sad
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You know, I posted the original message to share a thought / idea with others on something I find beneficial which others might also ........ so why 9 pages on does it seem to have devolved into some form of slanging match between people of different opinions
??For Gods sake !!! Some people really are pathetic and sad - and no, I'm not naming individuals ....
I joined CC because I was told that unlike 'the other club' it had a more mature membership. Whilst that may be taken to mean physical age one would hope that it also meant a mental maturity as well.
Maybe I was incorrect in my presumption
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You are more right than wrong
.I certainly hope so Mr Diver. The balance of everyone I've spoken with on site backs up my presumption, its only here on the forum that it is tested
Just backs up what I was saying on a different post re electric usage.
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DD will do moonchip
. A tip. When on site if you hear the battle cry
"that's against club rules" depart the scene - fast.Whilst I am generally non-confrontational, I do an excellent line in intentional deafness, after the obligatory "
I'm sorry but I don't seem to have taken my 'like I give a **** ' tablet today'" There are better things to do in life than to argue with morons !
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You are more right than wrong
.I certainly hope so Mr Diver. The balance of everyone I've spoken with on site backs up my presumption, its only here on the forum that it is tested
Just backs up what I was saying on a different post re electric usage.
Hi Nellie - completely off topic, but did you get a Rocket USB wifi antenna ??
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You are more right than wrong
.I certainly hope so Mr Diver. The balance of everyone I've spoken with on site backs up my presumption, its only here on the forum that it is tested
Just backs up what I was saying on a different post re electric usage.
Hi Nellie - completely off topic, but did you get a Rocket USB wifi antenna ??
Not home yet, still out in the caravan!! Will sort it out when we get home in a couple of weeks. Thanks for the reminder.
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Write your comments here...If a campsite owner decides they have to take action as the electricity bill is becoming to expensive and decide to go down the route of metering or just push the price up then we all have to pay more because of the few who are
taking advantage.How is using service that has been provided and charged for taking advantage?
Write your comments here...so you are happy for other people to subsidise your over use of electricity, because that is what it would amount to
I really find statements like that very depressing - you must have such a low opinion of fellow caravanners if you think they might be so profligate that you end up subsidisng them to any great extent.
Look - when you go out for an evening with friends and buy a round of drinks, do you keep a record of what yours and theirs cost so that they can settle up with you at the end of the night if theirs are more expensive - you wouldn't want to be subsidisng
their drinking would you?its interesting that, when suggesting a non-ehu option that relied on members 'trust', there were squeals that some would cheat or hook up into someone elses bollard.....
are these the same members, no doubt, that feel their use of an 'inclusive' system is beyond reproach....?
members are either good eggs (and we shouldnt lambast anyone, whatever process they are asked to use) or theyre a rotten bunch that fiddle everything, given the chance....
i expect there is a bit of both.....some will definitely overuse the current system, some would abuse any 'trust' system....
but its no good throwing our hands up in the air, we have to accept our position and move on.....either system could be a little 'fairer' if they were managed better.....but that takes effort.
Well I certainly didn't siggest that anyone would try to "cheat" the system BB!
I'm quite happy with what we have so as you say, lets accept our position and move on!
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