Knaresborough Site

BernardinTring
BernardinTring Forum Participant Posts: 52
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edited November 2016 in UK Campsites & Touring #1

See that Harrogate District Council has recently turned down the Clubs request for this site to be open twelve months of the year. 

Does not bode well for the other application with them, seeking the creation of nineteen all-weather pitches on the top field, plus new reception and Bistro facilities.

Caravaners appear not to be loved in this area!!!

Bernard in Tring

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  • Tinwheeler
    Tinwheeler Forum Participant Posts: 23,155 ✭✭✭
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    edited November 2016 #2

    That backs up what several of us have said in the other thread which is that it is often not CC's decision whether sites shut in winter.

  • Wildwood
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    edited November 2016 #3

    Downright stupidity by the Council who have reduced the tourist take in the area just when the local businesses need it most. You do sometimes wonder if they want tourists or appreciate just what we contribute to the local economy.

  • DavidKlyne
    DavidKlyne Club Member Posts: 13,872 ✭✭✭
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    edited November 2016 #4

    Perhaps an idea to e-mail the local tourist office and ask them to supply details of sites open all year in the townSmile

    David

  • Pippah45
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    edited November 2016 #5

    Good idea David - let's do it en masse! 

    http://www.visitharrogate.co.uk/information/contact-us

  • IanH
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    edited November 2016 #6

    Would a developer just simply a accept a knock-back from a council? Or would they fight back!

    And in this case, it's not a huge housing development or an unpleasant industrial develoment......it's just asking whether an existing, fairly small caravan site can stay open a bit longer and thusbhelp the local economy.

    Time to grow a pair and fight back, CC........

  • ValDa
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    edited November 2016 #7

    I've just emailed the council to ask them to re-examine their decision as we pay our Council Tax to Harrogate and I think this decision is wrong (even though I personally wouldn't use the site during the winter as it's too near home).  Every forum member who might be interested should do the same.

    I used the argument that keeping the site open would lead to more visitors and that every penny extra spent in the town helps business stay open, keeps high streets looking prosperous and ultimately helps more businesses set up and survive.

  • ChrisRogers
    ChrisRogers Forum Participant Posts: 435
    edited November 2016 #8

    The 19 all weather pitches are pending!

    https://uniformonline.harrogate.gov.uk/online-applications/propertyDetails.do?activeTab=relatedCases&keyVal=000GDV00LI000

     

  • yetisdad
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    edited November 2016 #9

    Good idea David - let's do it en masse! 

    http://www.visitharrogate.co.uk/information/contact-us

    Done

  • Bakers2
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    edited November 2016 #10

    I've emailed, thanks for the live link Pippah45.  I've asked for sites in the area with a hardstanding - that will keep them busy; and said how much 'we' contribute to the local economy.

  • ChrisRogers
    ChrisRogers Forum Participant Posts: 435
    edited November 2016 #11

    Nigel Avison may be the best person to contact:

    Director of Economy and Culture - Nigel Avison

    Harrogate Borough Council

    PO Box 787

    Harrogate

    HG1 2RW

    Tel: 01423 500600

    The Director of Economy and Culture has direct and indirect responsibility for 323 employees and is responsible for:

    • planning and development: Nidderdale AONB, planning, building control, land charges, strategic development, environmental strategy
    • culture, tourism and sports: culture, tourism, sport and leisure

     https://www.harrogate.gov.uk/info/20127/chief_executive_and_directors/327/council_structure

  • papgeno
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    edited November 2016 #12

    That's a weird decision because adjacent the site there is a permanent holiday site with lodges or static caravans.

  • BernardinTring
    BernardinTring Forum Participant Posts: 52
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    edited November 2016 #13

    ChrisRogers, you are correct, but look at the 'objections' which have been made to this application. Worth reading as some local people do seem to have an odd view of behaviour and what actual happens on the site.

    For the last eight years we have been fairly regular users, two three times a year for a couple of weeks at a time, as daughter lives in Harrogate and quite frankly based on the first rejection and the public submission made in this case, am of the view
    that the increased development is not likely to take place. Hope I'm proved wrong as with an 'in' and 'out' entrance and exit we might get back to the 12 noon admittance and get away from the current debacle of the 1 o'clock arrival time.

    Perhaps it would be appropriate to submit 'late' letters of support for the development?

    Bernard in Tring

  • briantimber
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    edited November 2016 #14

    That is probably the reason....They have objected....Cool

    Edit...In reply to papgeno....Cool

  • EJB986
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    edited November 2016 #15

    Have stayed at an excellent CL in Knaresborough.

  • Jammy
    Jammy Forum Participant Posts: 39
    edited November 2016 #16

    Good idea David - let's do it en masse! 

    http://www.visitharrogate.co.uk/information/contact-us

    Write your comments here...Done!

  • Jammy
    Jammy Forum Participant Posts: 39
    edited November 2016 #17

    Here are two extracts from the planning officers report that make interesting reading:



    "In 1991 planning permission was granted for the use of this site for the stationing of 11 twin unit chalets for use between 1 March and 7 January in any year. Condition 3 of this permission restricted the occupancy of any caravans using the site,
    and read;

    ‘No caravan/chalet on the site shall be occupied between 7 January and 1 March in any one year.’

    The reason for the conditions was: ‘In the interests of amenity4 Condition 4 also restricted occupancy as follows:

    The proposed unit/s shall not be used for any purposes other than holiday accommodation and shall not be occupied for periods exceeding one calendar month at any time by the same occupant and shall not be use as permanent residential accommodation.’
    "

    "Condition 3 of planning permission Ref prohibits the occupancy of the site between 7 January and 1 March. The reason for the condition was ‘in the interests of amenity’.



    The condition allows occupation of the site during autumn/winter months, including the Christmas/New Year holiday period, but allows for a ‘fallow’ period during the late winter months. At this time of the year, surrounding trees, which provide good
    screening to the site, are not in leaf, making the units on the site more prominent to public view with subsequent harm to the landscape.

    The reason for imposing Condition 3 still remains. There have been no material changes in circumstance that would warrant the planning authority altering its opinion and the applicant has not submitted any evidence to prove any such change in circumstances.
    The applicants case being based on the demand for an extended occupancy period, but again with no evidence to support this claim. "








  • Wildwood
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    edited November 2016 #18

    Would a developer just simply a accept a knock-back from a council? Or would they fight back!

    And in this case, it's not a huge housing development or an unpleasant industrial develoment......it's just asking whether an existing, fairly small caravan site can stay open a bit longer and thusbhelp the local economy.

    Time to grow a pair and fight back, CC........

    I think the problem is cost. Developers are usually looking at making millions and can therefore throw money at it. The club are perhaps looking at a few thousand a year before operating costs so cannot justify the expense.

  • DORMAN12Q
    DORMAN12Q Forum Participant Posts: 90
    edited November 2016 #19

    Is the Traveller site at Knaresborough open 12 Months a year or does that have to shut?

    Val I hope you are not using the tip at the other side of town seeing as you pay Harrogate council? ( joking)

  • papgeno
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    edited November 2016 #20

    Is the Traveller site at Knaresborough open 12 Months a year or does that have to shut?

    Val I hope you are not using the tip at the other side of town seeing as you pay Harrogate council? ( joking)

    Write your comments here...

    Knareborough is part of Harrogate Council's area.

  • black caviar
    black caviar Forum Participant Posts: 242
    edited November 2016 #21

    Eyup ive also sent an email ,perhaps if the club planted conifers they couldnt moan about the public seeing the "spoilt" landscape cheers mrs bc:)

  • Wildwood
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    edited November 2016 #22

    Eyup ive also sent an email ,perhaps if the club planted conifers they couldnt moan about the public seeing the "spoilt" landscape cheers mrs bc:)

    They would probably say the conifers are not native and still reject it.

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