Should the Club charge for Visitors
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Clumber Park is notorious at certain times for big family visits, bbqs, lots of people getting together, and at certain times probably has a higher than average " unruly" element visiting it. This is the Park in general, and I don't think the Club Site has
perimeter fences, so there may be some unwanted/undeclared visitors on the Club Site as well.Being cheap to visit, relatively speaking, the Park attracts lots of single sex groups, and feeds some of the less savoury local housing estates not too far away, hence the locking away of cycles. This is not snobbery, this is fact. Sounds like some of this
less than social behaviour has spilled over into the Club Site.For what it's worth, if thinking of visiting Club Site and don't want to be unduly disturbed, then avoid Summer and School holidays, weekends and hot sunny days. It is a lovely place for a day out when quiet, lots to see and do, great walking and cycling,
acres and acres of woodland, forest and lakeside paths. The NT are currently looking at a new charging policy.We have not stayed on Club Site, and frankly probably never will. We are too wise In the ways of seeking peace and quiet. Even having said this, I doubt things are too bad mid week, we are regular visitors for dog walking away from main facilities.
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Never the less, Surely head office should support their on-site staff to maintain control of their respective sites.
Clear unambiguous instructions from Head Office which the warden staff can follow, without the worry that their boss will question their actions, regarding the number of visitors, the behaviour of visitors and the permitted hours that visitors can be on site.
Let's all help the CC On Site staff make the sites a pleasant environment for CC's paying customers.
K
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Of course one of the things that might attract visitors to Clumber site, even if they don't stop on site, is the cost saving. If you are a non NT member it costs £7 per car, if your wheels stop turning within the park. Unless of course you are in the CC
carpark visiting an inmate.0 -
As I undesdtand it Clumber Park has a side gate which woulod make preventing access almost impossible for the wardens. There were suggestions I think on an earlier thread that this was being used by bike thieves so itsounds as if the club should be looking
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Yes there are actually three 'people' gates but these are in sight of cctv masts. However, the fence round the site isnt substantial unlike sites such as Abbey Wood which feels a bit like Fort Knox! Can't see the NT sanctioning bigger security fences, so
dont know what the solution is to preventing unwanted visitors0 -
The issue may not be the visitors at all, it's more likely to be us members on site who are inviting them on without consulting first. We members should be adhering to the rules and asking if unsure. On occasions visitors may be able to park their vehicle
on the members pitch during the day but that may be down to site and pitch specific circumstances I guess. We only have our motorhome on the pitch and when visiting our son's area he visits and parks his car on our pitch. We always ask first mind and never
assume. No problems to date!0 -
It would be interesting to know what site this is and what size. Also as J with a J put if any local event was in progress. Even if it is a very large site, 200 would mean say 4 visitors per pitch, if 25% had visitors. My overall impression in 11 years on
lots of sites is that 25% would be very high. So let's have a name and info on possible local events please.Write your comments here...No local events just good weather, at least four pitches had up to twenty guests each. One member let in five different cars which were parked on empty pitches next door till the Warden did his bin run and got cars removed to the
car park as you can see it doesn't take long to max the site out.0 -
Why are you so reluctant to name the site, Philnffc?
Before long somebody is bound to doubt the credibiity of your posts in view of the lack of facts.
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How odd to raise an issue then leave it be without substantiating the claim. I can only assume it's not really much of a problem on the site after all.
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How odd to raise an issue then leave it be without substantiating the claim. I can only assume it's not really much of a problem on the site after all.
I think the reason is that Phil is a warden - or has been in the past - so quite rightly doesnt want to get into trouble from HQ with his postings.
It must be doubly frustrating if you have been an effective warden so you know how it should be done, to then be on a site where it isnt being done.
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That's fine then.....have a new rule saying that everyone must ask the warden.......that should sort out this problem.
No need for a new rule! Enquiring of the possibility is already written into the rule!
1f. Anyone visiting someone staying on site will need to
see the Site Staff on arrival to ensure their stay is safe. The Site Staff may allow visitors' cars to be parked within the pitch they're visiting. If staying overnight a fee for both visitors and their cars will be charged.0 -
That's fine then.....have a new rule saying that everyone must ask the warden.......that should sort out this problem.
No need for a new rule! Enquiring of the possibility is already written into the rule!
1f. Anyone visiting someone staying on site will need to see the Site Staff on arrival to ensure their stay is safe. The Site Staff may allow visitors' cars to be parked within the pitch they're visiting. If staying overnight a fee for both visitors and their cars will be charged.
Write your comments here...Where does rule 1f say that if anybody is visiting the site they have to Ask the site warden.
All it says is " see the site staff on arrival."
Then you tell them you are visiting Mr X on pitch no X ...
Mr X will have already have told the warden that they are expecting visitors.
This is 2016 we should be all past the forelock tugging and cap doffing era.
K
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Enquiring of the possibility prior to arrival is better than visitors turning up and then seeing if it may be possible. However, that's better than and not even enquiring expecting to park up anyway. I can't identify the bit that says we should doff caps at all, it just suggested we should see if it may be possible on arrival!
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So what's wrong with asking if my son can visit and use the part of my pitch during the day that would have been occupied by my non existent car? I always go and see if it's possible prior to his arrival, I follow the rule and that is really helpful. Can't
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How odd to raise an issue then leave it be without substantiating the claim. I can only assume it's not really much of a problem on the site after all.
I think the reason is that Phil is a warden - or has been in the past - so quite rightly doesnt want to get into trouble from HQ with his postings.
It must be doubly frustrating if you have been an effective warden so you know how it should be done, to then be on a site where it isnt being done.
If the first paragraph is the reason, BMB, I question Phil's wisdom in posting. He should, in my view, have been prepared to tell the full story or have said nothing at all.
Your words in the second paragraph demonstrate how good a position Phil is in to take matters up with CC and I hope he has.
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So we can now see that the problem described is possibly caused by those fellow members amongst us who do not follow the rules, those that do not go and see if parking on pitch/site is possible for their visitors. Why on earth should we let these few
inconsiderate people dictate the rules and practices we enjoy and have enjoyed for decades? After all, visitors have been visiting members on site ever since the club started I'd bet. The problem, if there is a significant problem, is caused by fellow members
who need to follow the rules and guidance as described. Never let the few dictate to the rest and spoil it for the many I say, they will try mind.Enquire and seek advice, nothing subservient about that, just considerate!
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That's fine then.....have a new rule saying that everyone must ask the warden.......that should sort out this problem.
No need for a new rule! Enquiring of the possibility is already written into the rule!
1f. Anyone visiting someone staying on site will need to
see the Site Staff on arrival to ensure their stay is safe. The Site Staff may allow visitors' cars to be parked within the pitch they're visiting. If staying overnight a fee for both visitors and their cars will be charged.Write your comments here...Where does rule 1f say that if anybody is visiting the site they have to Ask the site warden.
All it says is " see the site staff on arrival."
Then you tell them you are visiting Mr X on pitch no X ...
Mr X will have already have told the warden that they are expecting visitors.
This is 2016 we should be all past the forelock tugging and
cap doffing era.K
Write your comments here... When we told the lady warden at one site we were expecting visitors she was very pleased as she said most do not bother and it makes life difficult for them to know who is on site.
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So we can now see that the problem described is possibly caused by those fellow members amongst us who do not follow the rules, those that do not go and see if parking on pitch/site is possible for their visitors. Why on earth should we let these few inconsiderate people dictate the rules and practices we enjoy and have enjoyed for decades? After all, visitors have been visiting members on site ever since the club started I'd bet. The problem, if there is a significant problem, is caused by fellow members who need to follow the rules and guidance as described. Never let the few dictate to the rest and spoil it for the many I say, they will try mind.
Enquire and seek advice, nothing subservient about that, just considerate!But back in the real world.......
Seriously........if someone has invited 20 people to a party on site, they are unlikely to ask permission, because the answer is likely to be No. Or at least, I hope it would be!
Charge the nightly rate for all visitors and limit them to 2 maximum. That way, these unwelcome, roudy people will go elsewhere.
We keep being told that wardens know their sites best. If they cannot see that a huge party is going on, with lots of people on site that haven't paid, they surely cannot be 'managing' the site.
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So we can now see that the problem described is possibly caused by those fellow members amongst us who do not follow the rules, those that do not go and see if parking on pitch/site is possible for their visitors. Why on earth should we let these few inconsiderate people dictate the rules and practices we enjoy and have enjoyed for decades? After all, visitors have been visiting members on site ever since the club started I'd bet. The problem, if there is a significant problem, is caused by fellow members who need to follow the rules and guidance as described. Never let the few dictate to the rest and spoil it for the many I say, they will try mind.
Enquire and seek advice, nothing subservient about that, just considerate!But back in the real world.......
Seriously........if someone has invited 20 people to a party on site, they are unlikely to ask permission, because the answer is likely to be No. Or at least, I hope it would be!
Charge the nightly rate for all visitors and limit them to 2 maximum. That way, these unwelcome, roudy people will go elsewhere.
We keep being told that wardens know their sites best. If they cannot see that a huge party is going on, with lots of people on site that haven't paid, they surely cannot be 'managing' the site.
The rules and management of those sensible, considerate, reasonable and infrequent day visitors to site and occasionally your pitch when circumstances allow continues and works, I can't see that changing thankfully.
Definitely though, it's the inconsiderate few (many allegedly in that incident first described in the OP) that certainly need addressing! But never in a way that would be detrimental to all of us caring rule abiders and our legitimate and sensible visitors.
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