Hard standing booking trial
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I prefer HS as they tend to be more level but I'll take whatever's going and I don't expect any special treatment because I have a MH.
We're all equal and it's first come first served unless the warden has a specific reason to decide otherwise.
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I don't have any problem at all with M/H's.....in fact I tend to prefer to have them on the next pitch, because often they aren't as spread out as caravans with huge awnings.
That said, I still think that there should either be a proper booking system, where you can book the type of pitch you want, or stick with the 'first come, first served' principal.
Why should a caravan arriving at 12 noon (to make the most of their holiday) be forced to take a grass pitch, when there are hardstandings free? Just to enable a M/H to roll up at 6pm and take the hardstanding!
We all chose the type of unit we want to buy. We all do it in the knowleddge that some of the sites we go to have a mixture of pitch types. If you think that means that the pitches left when you arrive won't be suitable, then don't book that site......or
change your unit.It's all about personal choice.
I have to agree with my learned friend here (I'm on holiday)
Just because you have a MH should not give you the right to a HS pitch.
I do not like grass pitches, but I know some do and its down to choice. However I do not go to any site where I I might end up with a grass pitch. I notice most new sites on the club network are all HS anyway
in fairness, i dont think its the MH owners (certainly those on CT) who feel this way...
it seems its more the wardens attempting to 'manage' their site once the weather gets a bit rough.
personally, weve never had a issue with being on a HS of we wanted one, mainly, i guess, as we tend to arrive at 11 (oops, sorry, 12) and are usually pitched up by 12:30 latest.
however, if it were wet, and the warden suggested we take a specific pitch (due to the condition of the site) then i would follow his advice....and if there were a premium price, then id pay it obviously.
with the advent of H&S 'no towing' of MH by the wardens, i guess they are just pre-empting any chance of that occurence.
if this pitch allocation 'process' has been sanctioned by HO, who are we (MH and caravanners) to argue...after all, we all signed up to the rules when we joined, even if one of those rules might be to follow all 'instructions from wardens on site' and it
might affect us in some way.if there were no HS available and the warden advised not going on the grass, i would go elsewhere (with a refund) which i would hope would be acceptable to all....incl caravanners.
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I don't have any problem at all with M/H's.....in fact I tend to prefer to have them on the next pitch, because often they aren't as spread out as caravans with huge awnings.
That said, I still think that there should either be a proper booking system, where you can book the type of pitch you want, or stick with the 'first come, first served' principal.
Why should a caravan arriving at 12 noon (to make the most of their holiday) be forced to take a grass pitch, when there are hardstandings free? Just to enable a M/H to roll up at 6pm and take the hardstanding!
We all chose the type of unit we want to buy. We all do it in the knowleddge that some of the sites we go to have a mixture of pitch types. If you think that means that the pitches left when you arrive won't be suitable, then don't book that site......or
change your unit.It's all about personal choice.
I have to agree with my learned friend here (I'm on holiday)
Just because you have a MH should not give you the right to a HS pitch.
I do not like grass pitches, but I know some do and its down to choice. However I do not go to any site where I I might end up with a grass pitch. I notice most new sites on the club network are all HS anyway
in fairness, i dont think its the MH owners (certainly those on CT) who feel this way...
it seems its more the wardens attempting to 'manage' their site once the weather gets a bit rough.
personally, weve never had a issue with being on a HS of we wanted one, mainly, i guess, as we tend to arrive at 11 (oops, sorry, 12) and are usually pitched up by 12:30 latest.
however, if it were wet, and the warden suggested we take a specific pitch (due to the condition of the site) then i would follow his advice....and if there were a premium price, then id pay it obviously.
with the advent of H&S 'no towing' of MH by the wardens, i guess they are just pre-empting any chance of that occurence.
if this pitch allocation 'process' has been sanctioned by HO, who are we (MH and caravanners) to argue...after all, we all signed up to the rules when we joined, even if one of those rules might be to follow all 'instructions from wardens on site' and it
might affect us in some way.if there were no HS available and the warden advised not going on the grass, i would go elsewhere (with a refund) which i would hope would be acceptable to all....incl caravanners.
Good post BB
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youre, welcome, Corners....good morning to you
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Non - towing of motorhomes. As I heard it from the, then, warden at Gwern Y Bwlch CC site it was not a H&S issue. The policy came about, I am told, because a warden was towing off a mottor home. The driver of the motorhome, instead of following the wardens
path turned the steering in the opposire direction (possibly as he thought that might put his unit on firm ground sooner); damage occured. Hence the policy decision.0 -
that sounds like either overkill (one episode driving a whole policy) or H&S (cant have our wardens going in the opposite direction to a MH, unsafe for .....fill in the blanks....)....
folklore, perhaps?
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youre, welcome, Corners....good morning to you
and a good morning to you too
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I am interested in where this "elsewhere" that is so often mentioned might be? After a long day of driving and finding the site I have selected and pre-booked many months earlier in an area unknown to me has hard standings vacant although they have all
been reserved by the warder in case of motor caravans happening to arrive and are being withheld from me, how do I locate this "elsewhere" that gives us the particular location that we have selected for a reason, and has hard standing pitches available?0 -
When we arrived at Bladon Chains a few years ago, we were told to go on a grass pitch, because the warden was saving hardstandings for twin axles and motorhomes.
We had booked 6 months before arrival. The couple behind us (with a twin axle) were delighted - "that's great.....and we only booked last week!"
The warden also insistd that his assistant put our caravan on the pitch with his little tractor. Took him about 20 attempts to get it straight and the pitch looked like the Somme afterwards. Idiot. Could have done it in one go with our (then) Landcruiser....or
even the mover.To rub salt in the wounds, a single axle caravan arrived later and went on the hardstanding opposite us.
Can anyone explain where this is fair?
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When we arrived at Bladon Chains a few years ago, we were told to go on a grass pitch, because the warden was saving hardstandings for twin axles and motorhomes.
We had booked 6 months before arrival. The couple behind us (with a twin axle) were delighted - "that's great.....and we only booked last week!"
The warden also insistd that his assistant put our caravan on the pitch with his little tractor. Took him about 20 attempts to get it straight and the pitch looked like the Somme afterwards. Idiot. Could have done it in one go with our (then) Landcruiser....or
even the mover.To rub salt in the wounds, a single axle caravan arrived later and went on the hardstanding opposite us.
Can anyone explain where this is fair?
I can understand the MH's as they are very heavy and two wheel drive. However, our single axle caravan weighs in at 1498 Kg on the one axle. Where as a twin axle, perhaps some 500 Kg more has this distributed on two axles. Neither if positioned carefully,
with a power mover, should cause significant damage, even to wet grass. Some CC sites are just too congested for reversing on in wet conditions, without causing grass damage.0 -
When we arrived at Bladon Chains a few years ago, we were told to go on a grass pitch, because the warden was saving hardstandings for twin axles and motorhomes.
We had booked 6 months before arrival. The couple behind us (with a twin axle) were delighted - "that's great.....and we only booked last week!"
The warden also insistd that his assistant put our caravan on the pitch with his little tractor. Took him about 20 attempts to get it straight and the pitch looked like the Somme afterwards. Idiot. Could have done it in one go with our (then) Landcruiser....or
even the mover.To rub salt in the wounds, a single axle caravan arrived later and went on the hardstanding opposite us.
Can anyone explain where this is fair?
...When you queried it with the site staff what was their reasoning
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When we arrived at Bladon Chains a few years ago, we were told to go on a grass pitch, because the warden was saving hardstandings for twin axles and motorhomes.
We had booked 6 months before arrival. The couple behind us (with a twin axle) were delighted - "that's great.....and we only booked last week!"
The warden also insistd that his assistant put our caravan on the pitch with his little tractor. Took him about 20 attempts to get it straight and the pitch looked like the Somme afterwards. Idiot. Could have done it in one go with our (then) Landcruiser....or
even the mover.To rub salt in the wounds, a single axle caravan arrived later and went on the hardstanding opposite us.
Can anyone explain where this is fair?
Write your comments here...Friends of the Warden perhaps.
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When we arrived at Bladon Chains a few years ago, we were told to go on a grass pitch, because the warden was saving hardstandings for twin axles and motorhomes.
We had booked 6 months before arrival. The couple behind us (with a twin axle) were delighted - "that's great.....and we only booked last week!"
The warden also insistd that his assistant put our caravan on the pitch with his little tractor. Took him about 20 attempts to get it straight and the pitch looked like the Somme afterwards. Idiot. Could have done it in one go with our (then) Landcruiser....or even the mover.
To rub salt in the wounds, a single axle caravan arrived later and went on the hardstanding opposite us.
Can anyone explain where this is fair?
Write your comments here...Friends of the Warden perhaps.
...Or nearest to facilities "disabled pitch"?
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The warden also insistd that his assistant put our caravan on the pitch with his little tractor. Took him about 20 attempts to get it straight and the pitch looked like the Somme afterwards. Idiot. Could have done it in one go with our (then) Landcruiser....or
even the mover.I just would not permit that. The CC do not have suitable insurance to cover any potential damage. They do, however, have plenty of clauses and notices denying any liability for anything.
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...You are right ,it was because of a claim from a member who as usual in these days of litigation,and blame, and also there was one at Top Lodge where a M/van "driver" decided near the end of the season (ground soft) to drive across the said softNon - towing of motorhomes. As I heard it from the, then, warden at Gwern Y Bwlch CC site it was not a H&S issue. The policy came about, I am told, because a warden was towing off a mottor home. The driver of the motorhome, instead of following the wardens
path turned the steering in the opposire direction (possibly as he thought that might put his unit on firm ground sooner); damage occured. Hence the policy decision.
ground ,rather than follow the road to a hardstanding and got stuck,then tried to blame the warden for damage to his vehicle after his tow rope shackle (not cc) snapped and flew back damageing his m/van, I know as several of us were also trying push the said vehicle
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there was one at Top Lodge where a M/van "driver" decided near the end of the season (ground soft) to drive across the said soft ground ,rather than follow the road to a hardstanding and got stuck,then tried to blame the warden for damage to his
vehicle after his tow rope shackle (not cc) snapped and flew back damageing his m/van,Vehicle - not fit for purpose
Driver - not fit for purpose
Recovery equipment - not fit for purpose
Sounds like an ideal one for "Caravanner of the Year".
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there was one at Top Lodge where a M/van "driver" decided near the end of the season (ground soft) to drive across the said soft ground ,rather than follow the road to a hardstanding and got stuck,then tried to blame the warden for damage to his
vehicle after his tow rope shackle (not cc) snapped and flew back damageing his m/van,Vehicle - not fit for purpose
Driver - not fit for purpose
Recovery equipment - not fit for purpose
Sounds like an ideal one for "Caravanner of the Year".
.And cc to blame of course
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When we arrived at Bladon Chains a few years ago, we were told to go on a grass pitch, because the warden was saving hardstandings for twin axles and motorhomes.
We had booked 6 months before arrival. The couple behind us (with a twin axle) were delighted - "that's great.....and we only booked last week!"
The warden also insistd that his assistant put our caravan on the pitch with his little tractor. Took him about 20 attempts to get it straight and the pitch looked like the Somme afterwards. Idiot. Could have done it in one go with our (then) Landcruiser....or even the mover.
To rub salt in the wounds, a single axle caravan arrived later and went on the hardstanding opposite us.
Can anyone explain where this is fair?
...When you queried it with the site staff what was their reasoning
Do you mean, when we had a half hour discussion with the warden? During which the only option he offered was for us to have a refund and go elsewhere?
In anticipation of the next question.......yes we did write to the CC. After a lengthy wait, we received the usual waffly response that basically said nothing and that their policies were always under review blah, blah, blah.....
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And that, Ian, is how people in the "downstairs" part of the club are treated.
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When we arrived at Bladon Chains a few years ago, we were told to go on a grass pitch, because the warden was saving hardstandings for twin axles and motorhomes.
We had booked 6 months before arrival. The couple behind us (with a twin axle) were delighted - "that's great.....and we only booked last week!"
The warden also insistd that his assistant put our caravan on the pitch with his little tractor. Took him about 20 attempts to get it straight and the pitch looked like the Somme afterwards. Idiot. Could have done it in one go with our (then) Landcruiser....or
even the mover.To rub salt in the wounds, a single axle caravan arrived later and went on the hardstanding opposite us.
Can anyone explain where this is fair?
...When you queried it with the site staff what was their reasoning
Do you mean, when we had a half hour discussion with the warden? During which the only option he offered was for us to have a refund and go elsewhere?
In anticipation of the next question.......yes we did write to the CC. After a lengthy wait, we received the usual waffly response that basically said nothing and that their policies were always under review blah, blah, blah.....
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You will get an answer "soon" (shortly),at some point
Hope it is quicker then the survey results.
In practice it would need a lot of work on the website if it were to be implemented to add the new options on each site page. On that basis if they are going to implememt it then the start of next years bookings would look to be the favourite.
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Speaking to a warden today he gave the impression that those sites in the experiment had lost income for the reason IanH points out on page two of the thread. Once people can't book a hardstanding they don't bother to book if none are available which has lead to a drop in occupancy. Before they may have taken a chance.
The Club can't just convert grass pitches to hardstanding. Obviously there is a cost involved and in most cases local authority permission. Its often at this point that local residents start stamping their feet which of course influences the councils. I am sure the Club will continue to convert grass pitches where they can.
I would have thought one possible idea is for the Club to give information on the booking website when grass pitches are in use or not in use as for many sites only the hardstandings appear on the booking page anyway at certain times of year. That would then allow wardens a bit is discreation in booking the grass pitches direct should conditions allow.
David
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