Hard standing booking trial

EasyT
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edited September 2016 in UK Campsites & Touring #1

When we arriived here at CC Sutton-on-Sea one of the wardens was chatting to me whilst OH had gone to book us in. The warden asked if we were booked on grass or hard standing. I did not know but said that if the option was available I had probably booked
hard standing.

He went on to say that the option was being removed next year. It may well be that the CC has decided not to continue with the optoion. Anybody heard or read anything??

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  • Tammygirl
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    edited September 2016 #2

    Not heard or seen anything but I hope the option will not be removed, I much prefer a H/S where possible.

  • Fysherman
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    edited September 2016 #3

    It would be a shame if the option was removed.

    We prefer a grass pitch in summer but hard standings in winter. I bet many do.

    Sometimes I really do not understand the CC. What is difficult about making both options available and why can the C&CC do it seemingly without any issue yet the CC cannot?

  • EasyT
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    edited September 2016 #4

    The problem, if any, with the ability to book hard standing is their lack on some CC sites. Because we tour moving every 5 days we arrive on ste close to mid day. With no booking of hard standings I can always get one on the majority of sites. If the hard
    standings were bookable and I tried to book a couple of weeks ahead I suspect that there might be none available. For some this would mean they went elsewhere. Possibly me too if rain were forecast.

     

  • Tammygirl
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    edited September 2016 #5

    We are the opposite ET, we rarely arrive at midday and much prefer the to know that when we do arrive we have the guarentee of a H/S, with the UK weather so unpredicable going on grass with a motorhome can be dodgy to say the least.

  • Fysherman
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    edited September 2016 #6

    It can be vital to have HS in a front wheel drive MH, especially in winter.

    We used to carry several of the yellow grip mats and have "walked the MH" on and off grass pitches many tmes in the past.

    Easier now we are back to a caravan and Land Rover but you can still get stuck if all 4 tyres fill up with mud and if all 4 wheels just spin. You  are going nowhere.

  • EasyT
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    edited September 2016 #7

    I agree Tammygirl. And I am not prepared to take grass with the caravan so that a motorhome can have my hard standing Winking

  • cyberyacht
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    edited September 2016 #8

    We prefer a grass pitch in summer but hard standings in winter. I bet many do.

    Do not the CC close grass pitches in the winter anyway? For winter vanners it's 'would you like HS or HS'

  • SteveL
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    edited September 2016 #9

    I suspect the problem is when we get wet weather at the beginning and end of the season. Whilst we much prefer hardstanding, I am prepared to risk grass with a caravan. If we ever change to a MH I don't think I would be prepared to risk it, so if no service pitches were available, would look elsewhere.

  • JayEss
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    edited September 2016 #10

    The inability to book hardstandings is a big issue for me. Other organisations seem to cope with the complexities. 

    As a late arriver I frequently used to end up on grass pitches so I only use all HS sites or club sites in winter nowadays 

  • Kerry Watkins
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    edited September 2016 #11

    In my opinion, it should be first come first served whether caravan or motor home. I don't think that hard standings should be reserved exclusively for motor homes.

  • Vicmallows
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    edited September 2016 #12

    and why can the C&CC do it seemingly without any issue yet the CC cannot?

    It's not always plain-sailing at C&CC.  Sometimes, if you only want to book for 1 or 2 nights, the system will ONLY offer you a grass/non-electric pitch ....whereas if you want to stay longer it will offer you other pitch types. (This is due to 'occupancy
    optimisation' ....not due to what is actually available)

     

  • EasyT
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    edited September 2016 #13

    In my opinion, it should be first come first served whether caravan or motor home. I don't think that hard standings should be reserved exclusively for motor homes.

    A few years ago a warden said to me when I booked in that he would be happier if I took a grass pitch. I took hard standing as my hapiness was just as important. 

  • peedee
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    edited September 2016 #14

    We seem to be drifting away from the original question, what is going on? It really is time the Club reported on the trial. If I could get to our local question and answer session next weekend I would ask but cannot make it. Unless someone comes up with an answer,I will put it down for one to ask at the NEC if I manage to get there

    peedee

  • skodaman
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    edited September 2016 #15

    Perhaps the cc are going to make all sites hard standing as awnings left on a grass pitch for any length of time can ruin the ground for most of the season as seen on many cccsites

  • EasyT
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    edited September 2016 #16

    Has the trial been running for two years come December bookings? I suspect that the club has found that if alll the hardstandings are taken then a number will book elsewhere

  • IanH
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    edited September 2016 #17

    I believe that the outcome of the trial would be exactly what most of us knew it would be. If you give people the choice of hardstanding or grass, then the majority will go for hardtanding.

    When the hardstandings run out, people will not book. Previously they might have taken the chance on getting the hardstanding and booked anyway.

    So this experiment will be quietly faded away, with no comment from the CC.

    Instead, what it should have told them them is - get more hardstandings installed!

  • Fysherman
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    edited September 2016 #18

    and why can the C&CC do it seemingly without any issue yet the CC cannot?

    It's not always plain-sailing at C&CC.  Sometimes, if you only want to book for 1 or 2 nights, the system will ONLY offer you a grass/non-electric pitch ....whereas if you want to stay longer it will offer you other pitch types. (This is due to 'occupancy optimisation' ....not due to what is actually available)

     

    I don't book. If they don't want me I just go somewhere else. I ring the night before and ask what is available. 

  • moulesy
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    edited September 2016 #19

    "instead, what it should have told them them is - get more hardstandings installed!"

    I agree, Ian, the advantage being it would also do away with the case for charging for awnings! Wink

  • moulesy
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    edited September 2016 #20

    Getting back to the OP, since we have had responses from staff about when bookings for next year open, it would seem only reasonable to expect them to know if the HS trial is continuing or being abandoned.

    Perhaps Rochelle might follow this up? 

  • peedee
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    edited September 2016 #21

    Well they made 4 million clear profit after tax in 2015 and as they seem not to be able to procure more sites they can only but spend it on improvements.

    peedee

  • IanH
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    edited September 2016 #22

    Perhaps we could weave a question about buying insurance or a european break into the question, then it would get an instant response?

  • young thomas
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    edited September 2016 #23

    It would be a shame if the option was removed.

    We prefer a grass pitch in summer but hard standings in winter. I bet many do.

    Sometimes I really do not understand the CC. What is difficult about making both options available and why can the C&CC do it seemingly without any issue yet the CC cannot?

    agreed, i thought the 'trial' was (effectively) to rubber stamp a desired process throughout the network....

    obviously not.

    it would be interesting to read the club's conclusions on the 'exhaustive' trial and see how they came to them....

  • young thomas
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    edited September 2016 #24

    I agree Tammygirl. And I am not prepared to take grass with the caravan so that a motorhome can have my hard standing Winking

    ...but you dont have to....Undecided

    you either book what you want (the system we thought we were going to get) or you partake in first come first served, which is what we have now....

  • brue
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    edited September 2016 #25

    Try mentioning it on Facebook...responses seem to be better on there! This seems to be the Cinderella section now, how much better it would be if updates and reports were a regular feature.

  • IanH
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    edited September 2016 #26

    I agree Tammygirl. And I am not prepared to take grass with the caravan so that a motorhome can have my hard standing Winking

    ...but you dont have to....Undecided

    you either book what you want (the system we thought we were going to get) or you partake in first come first served, which is what we have now....

    Except when the wardens on some sites take it upon themselves to save certain pitches for some people.

    Bladon Chains - we were told to go on grass to allow twin axles and m/h's to use hardstandings.

    York Rowntree - numerous pitches were reserved for 'larger units' but were then used by peoplke with the same size caravan as our single axle.

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #27

    I agree Tammygirl. And I am not prepared to take grass with the caravan so that a motorhome can have my hard standing Winking

    ...but you dont have to....Undecided

    you either book what you want (the system we thought we were going to get) or you partake in first come first served, which is what we have now....

    Except when the wardens on some sites take it upon themselves to save certain pitches for some people.

    Bladon Chains - we were told to go on grass to allow twin axles and m/h's to use hardstandings.

    York Rowntree - numerous pitches were reserved for 'larger units' but were then used by peoplke with the same size caravan as our single axle.

    IAN ...Considering  in your opinion how expensive sites are ,you seem to be useing an awfuvlvl lot , have you come into some money?Wink

  • IanH
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    edited September 2016 #28

    Bladon Chains was several years ago, JVB Wink

  • briantimber
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    edited September 2016 #29

    Getting back to the OP, since we have had responses from staff about when bookings for next year open, it would seem only reasonable to expect them to know if the HS trial is continuing or being abandoned.

    Perhaps Rochelle might follow this up? 

    Yes, she may do it '"Shortly"......Undecided

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #30

    Bladon Chains was several years ago, JVB Wink

    ..I can remember being "advised " by a warden that we would need to move from our pitch in a couple of days,  as they had taken a booking for a large RV and would only fit on the pitch we were on ,it was a few years ago and we did not move ,the RV "fitted "elsewhereUndecided

  • Tammygirl
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    edited September 2016 #31

    I agree Tammygirl. And I am not prepared to take grass with the caravan so that a motorhome can have my hard standing Winking

    as a former caravanner I wouldn't expect anyone to, that's why I would much prefer to be able to book a H/S in the first place. At least then everyone knows what they can expect when they get to site, rather than the lottery we have have at the moment. One
    of the main reasons that we don't spend much time on CC sites from April to October is that we don't arrive at 12 midday and the lottery of what pitch type. Winter is another matter as the grass are taken out so H/S is all you will get.