Positioning of pitch marker posts
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Do away with pegs altogether and just mark the confines of the pitch which might be the area of hardstanding. Park on that area how you like but strictly within the confines. Pitch markers would simply be used to identify non awning or awning, i.e. small
or large pitches and charge accordingly.peedee
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Do away with pegs altogether and just mark the confines of the pitch which might be the area of hardstanding. Park on that area how you like but strictly within the confines. Pitch markers would simply be used to identify non awning or awning, i.e. small or large pitches and charge accordingly.
peedee
If only it were so simple Peedee, your system would only work if there were 6m of grass inbetween hard standings to maintain the required divide between adjacent units wouldn't it ?
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Peedee - how will that work on pitches with only a half metre strip between pitches? To ensure separation (allowing for the perversity of the human race) you surely need a 6m gap between pitches.
also grass pitches need something to say where they are.
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The problem goes back to a change in club policy. At one time up til a few years ago the club site pitches were all roughly the same size. There was no such thing as an awning or none awning pitch, they were all just pitches.
Then in order to maximise the number of pitches on any given site the club decided to squeeze more in by making some much smaller and calling them none awning pitches. That policy of increasing the number of pitches brought with it new concerns about fire safety & thats were we are today. Strict regimentation and even checks by visiting area supervisors to ensure that wardens are sticking rigidly to the regulations.
Yet another reason why I no longer use club sites but a series of excellant CL's that exist all over the country. They are much cheaper, usually in beautiful area's and allow freedom of pitching any way the DCOS dictates.
TF
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which reminds me....come in CC, wheres the HS option for this coming season....arent the dates now released (trumpeted?)...
I agree BB it is about time they got their act in gear and announced if it is going to be available next season. However, the current release only goes to mid March, and I think the majority of grass pitches are closed until then.
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The problem goes bto a change in club policy. At one time up til a few years ago the clubs were all roughly the same size. There was no such thing as an awning or none awning pitch, they were all just pitches.
Then in order to maximise the number of pitches on any given site the club decided to squeeze more in by making some much smaller and calling them none awning pitches. That policy of increasing the number of pitches brought with it new concerns about fire safety & thats were we are today. Strict regimentation and even checks by visiting area supervisors to ensure that wardens are sticking rigidly to the regulations.
Yet another reason why I no longer use club sites but a series of excellant CL's that exist all over the country. They are much cheaper, usually in beautiful area's and allow freedom of pitching any way the DCOS dictates.
TF
are you sure? In my experience the process actually reduced the number of pitches on many sites! Yes some became non awning whilst others were taken out completely or made into car parking spaces due to the spacing issues.
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The problem goes back to a change in club policy. At one time up til a few years ago the club site pitches were all roughly the same size. There was no such thing as an awning or none awning pitch, they were all just pitches.
Then in order to maximise the number of pitches on any given site the club decided to squeeze more in by making some much smaller and calling them none awning pitches. That policy of increasing the number of pitches brought with it new concerns about fire safety & thats were we are today. Strict regimentation and even checks by visiting area supervisors to ensure that wardens are sticking rigidly to the regulations.
Yet another reason why I no longer use club sites but a series of excellant CL's that exist all over the country. They are much cheaper, usually in beautiful area's and allow freedom of pitching any way the DCOS dictates.
TF
...That is not correct, in fact there are less pitches on any older site that has hard stands installed as 3grass =2hardstand as more space was needed ,and since the club have been more pro active with spacing a lot of previose hardstand awning pitches are now non awning ,two sites that have big non awning hardstands that we use are Sandringham and Seacroft
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It can be made that simple, where there is a will there is a way. I have come across grass pitches marked simply by four cicular stones set in the ground at each corner with one of the front ones marked with the pitch number.
peedee
..Grass pitches are the bain of wardens lives with the damage caused through the season by "any" groundsheet, as they need at times to move marker pegs arround or take them out of use,a set of "stones" would not allow the prefered option of moving grass
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On a recent stay at Troutbeck CC I commited the cardinal sin of putting one wheel about six inches over the cornr as I reversed in and left a low inde tation on the grass. The following orning a red marker flag saying 'keep off the grass' appeared right
at the corner of the pitch. so much for civility, common sense and give and take!What are those who use grass pitches supposed to do? Hover?
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It can be made that simple, where there is a will there is a way. I have come across grass pitches marked simply by four cicular stones set in the ground at each corner with one of the front ones marked with the pitch number.
peedee
..Grass pitches are the bain of wardens lives with the damage caused through the season by "any" groundsheet, as they need at times to move marker pegs arround or take them out of use,a set of "stones" would not allow the prefered option of moving grass pitches around,
The answer to that one is also simple, ban groundsheets on grass pitches or at least ban non breathable ones. In practice even moving the pegs onbusy sites does not seem to work. Go to Godrevey towards the end of the season.
peedee
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The obvious, low cost and simple solution to the spacing problem I highlighted in my original post is to start the measuring from the car side of the pitch. Take the distance needed to park a large car and space for a car door to open without touching caravan
(this will incorporate space for water barrel etc). Then locate the post. In every awning pitch I have been on there would still have been ample room for caravan plus full size awning. This would have no impact
on fire safety within any line of pitches. It would have a huge impact on user comfort and accessibility and would indicate that CC is interested in the general wellbeing and views of its members.0 -
The obvious, low cost and simple solution to the spacing problem I highlighted in my original post is to start the measuring from the car side of the pitch. Take the distance needed to park a large car and space for a car door to open without touching caravan (this will incorporate space for water barrel etc). Then locate the post. In every awning pitch I have been on there would still have been ample room for caravan plus full size awning. This would have no impact on fire safety within any line of pitches. It would have a huge impact on user comfort and accessibility and would indicate that CC is interested in the general wellbeing and views of its members.
That is not correct a lot of the time. If the first pitch in the row has its peg in the ideal position you indicate. The next may end up with a very large car space and unusable awning space, in order to preserve the 6 metre fire spacing. Clearly this is incremental along the line and numerous permutations are possible. As I put earlier the only way to make them fit for purpose, and to allow ideal positioning of the peg, is to insert more non awning pitches, as required. In extreme cases it could require every other pitch to be non awning.
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mickysf & Jvb, on reflection you may be correct, I guess I'm harking back to the good old days when all the pitches were grass. Hardstandings probably did reduce the overall numbers once they gained prominence.
I guess my love of the grass did fudge my memory on that one. But I still prefer the informality that the CL provides.
TF
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I seem to recall a few years ago they started putting the pegs in the exact middle of the pitch which would have made it easier to achieve what the OP wants. Only trouble was you had no clear view to reverse back to so I can see why they went back. With the exception of a few sites most hardstanding pitches are about 10x10 mts square. It should just be a simple sum to work out the average width of a tow car ( I don't suppose they vary more than 6 inches in width?) allow 3 feet for aquarolls access and door opening and there would still be plenty of room for an awing.
David
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I seem to recall a few years ago they started putting the pegs in the exact middle of the pitch which would have made it easier to achieve what the OP wants. Only trouble was you had no clear view to reverse back to so I can see why they went back. With
the exception of a few sites most hardstanding pitches are about 10x10 mts square. It should just be a simple sum to work out the average width of a tow car ( I don't suppose they vary more than 6 inches in width?) allow 3 feet for aquarolls access and door
opening and there would still be plenty of room for an awing.David
Exactly, let's say 3 metres to cover a car and passenger door opening (and to include aquaroll etc), then 2.5 metres max for caravan, then 3 metres for awning, I still should have 1.5 metres to twiddle my thumbs with. So why am I forced onto the grass
The peg needs to be 3 metres minimum from the grass if that is the boundary of your pitch.
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I totally agree Dave FL2. It is simple. If that is the space we need that is the space we should have! No ifs, no buts. If it means that some pitches have to be sacrificed to make the majority safe and fit for purpose, then that is the way it should be.
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The peg needs to be 3 metres minimum from the grass if that is the boundary of your pitch.
I treat it as the other way around. The boundary is 3.2 meters from the peg (Discovery has big doors). If a warden wants to argue he can move the peg or fix the grass, he (she) set it out that way and is must be big enough to accomodate Tow Car of the Year!
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just thought i would add to the confusion, on a recent stay at york beechwood grange i was guilty of not pitching properly by the peg, and was asked to move the van to the correct place even though there was good distance between vans either side of me,
the result of this was the distance between my van and the one on the pitch behind mine reduced to 3 metres where does safety come into play here then? and i know there are many other sites where pitches back onto another0 -
Since the redevelopment of Rowntree Park 2 years ago some of the hedges between pitches have been moved to provide a better mix of pitches. Most of the pegs have been moved to the left hand corner to ensure safe rear separation which can mean that it is
difficult to reverse around the hedge onto the peg (not everyone has a mover). The awning pitches are of a reasonable size to have caravan, awning and car in that order. The non awning pitches are only large enough for caravan and car. This works quite well
except more pegs are under trees with problems of squirrels and pigeons in the trees depositing droppings on the caravan and a lot of loud water dropping into the van roof if it rains during the night.0 -
Right folks! After some thought I have a foolproof answer to this and other perenial pitching problems, though I doubt the "Club" will take note or make the investment.
The simple solution is to double the number of pegs!!! Before you reply read on.
How this would work is that each pitch whether hard or grass gets TWO pegs. One placed much as we are used to but giving a three meter space from any site feature if the first pitch on the left of a row, and the other somewhat to the right of it as looking
into the pitch. The second peg is placed to define the other side of the "habitation rectangle", be it with or without awning.There is the minimum six meters between one habitation rectangle and the next. You pitch your caravan, motorhome, awning, canopy, trailer tent, pup tent, gazebo, whatever within that rectangle, any way round you like (land use covenants permitting) as long
as you stay between the pegs.Working along the pitches to the right the tow vehicles go into the six meter space as at present.
Cost to implement is only pegs (and as they seem to be replaced every year then last years could be used for an economy start) and wardens' time setting out, which they do every year anyway. Of course, no pitches will need to be moved as they already fully
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Right folks! After some thought I have a foolproof answer to this and other perenial pitching problems, though I doubt the "Club" will take note or make the investment.
The simple solution is to double the number of pegs!!! Before you reply read on.
How this would work is that each pitch whether hard or grass gets TWO pegs. One placed much as we are used to but giving a three meter space from any site feature if the first pitch on the left of a row, and the other somewhat to the right of it as looking into the pitch. The second peg is placed to define the other side of the "habitation rectangle", be it with or without awning.
There is the minimum six meters between one habitation rectangle and the next. You pitch your caravan, motorhome, awning, canopy, trailer tent, pup tent, gazebo, whatever within that rectangle, any way round you like (land use covenants permitting) as long as you stay between the pegs.
Working along the pitches to the right the tow vehicles go into the six meter space as at present.
Cost to implement is only pegs (and as they seem to be replaced every year then last years could be used for an economy start) and wardens' time setting out, which they do every year anyway. Of course, no pitches will need to be moved as they already fully comply with the safety requirements.
Write your comments here...I think you'll find it's already been tried at Chatsworth months ago , 2 pegs on pitch & you placed Caravan anywhere in between the 2 pegs .
It was soon dropped , members still couldn't even managed that .......what can one say just about sums up some peoples attitude towards a basic instruction like parking up to a peg .
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I accept that, Compass362 but regardless of what soultion is finally put into place there will always be a very small minority of idiots who fail to comply or cannot reverse a caravan up to a peg
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.... there will always be a very small minority of idiots who fail to comply or cannot reverse a caravan up to a peg
and there will always be pitches where the 'idiots' haven't enough room to reverse their caravan to the peg. I reverse my caravan down my drive. ... maybe a foot or so on each side, so
can reverse it, but the last site I went on I gave up in the end and left it somewhere near because unless the bloke across from me had moved his caravan I just didn't have room. And another time at Black
Horse, the pitch was opposite a hedge and I think the CC/warden would've been miffed if I'd dug it up0 -
.... there will always be a very small minority of idiots who fail to comply or cannot reverse a caravan up to a peg
and there will always be pitches where the 'idiots' haven't enough room to reverse their caravan to the peg. I reverse my caravan down my drive. ... maybe a foot or so on each side, so
can reverse it, but the last site I went on I gave up in the end and left it somewhere near because unless the bloke across from me had moved his caravan I just didn't have room. And another time at Black
Horse, the pitch was opposite a hedge and I think the CC/warden would've been miffed if I'd dug it up.Practice makes it easier
we do not have a mm and in all the years can count on one hand it caused enough of a problem to use the front hook0 -
There will always be some pitches where even experienced and able caravaners get stuck and have to settle for 'close enough'. We have all been there and suffered for our art....part and parcel of caravanning. The point I was trying to make (clumsily with
hindsight) was that a small minority do not even try to comply with any rule which causes them inconvenience0 -
....Practice makes it easier
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do not have a mm and in all the years can count on one hand it caused enough of a problem to use the front hookAs said, I can reverse, but if you ain't got the room, no amount of skill/practice is going to make 40 + feet fit into 30
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....Practice makes it easier
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do not have a mm and in all the years can count on one hand it caused enough of a problem to use the front hookAs said, I can reverse, but if you ain't got the room, no amount of skill/practice is going to make 40 + feet fit into 30
...As i said its very rare
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