Non members on busy club sites
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It is not a legislative requirement that campers should be a member of the organisation providing the exemption.
However, CC insist that CL owners accept only CC members as a condition of granting them the exemption. Failure to comply could result in a CL being removed from CC's list (but other organisations might welcome them).
That is why CL owners were particularly upset during the lengthy down time of the site recently. CC tie their hands but the main avenue of publicity of their sites failed.
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We have used quite a lot of CCC CSs and found in a lot of cases that they have a bigger problem with their maths than CC CLs. In a lot of cases we found that 5 is the new 8 or even ten if you include tents, we now only use the ones we know in the CCC, sorry,
gone off topic again
Some C&CC CSs have a certificate under the 1960 Act allowing up to 5 caravans/motorhomes and a certificate under the Public Health Act 1936 allowing up to 10 tents. Thus there can be up to 15 units as long as the two maxima are not exceeded.
Graham
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I suppose in 1936 a tent was quite a small affair and not the Bedouin-like encampments we see today.
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I suppose in 1936 a tent was quite a small affair and not the Bedouin-like encampments we see today.
Dunno as I'm not quite that old
but i suppose Bedouins had pretty large tentsI an aware that the C&CC has limits on tent sizes for their standard pitches. Presumably CSs (and any private sites) have similar limits.
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We have used both CLs and CS's. You have to be a member to use both, with the relative Club of course. CLs are limited to 5 tourers. CS's will be 5 tourers, and up to 10 tents. A lot depends on space obviously.
I have no problems with CC allowing none members on the sites. The big price per night deters most, but if anyone does choose to enquire, then this is another opportunity for someone to join. It is how we became members of C&CC. Wanted to stay at site, saved
joining fee that stay by becoming members.I notice the OP hasn't come back into this thread, so hope they got sorted somewhere.
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So, am I right in reading into this that 'in theory' you need to be a CC member to use a CL....but in practise, you don't really need to be a member?
I'll bet the CC won't want that news to get out......in view of all those numbers who only pay their membership fee to gain access to the CL network.
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There is really no "theory" Ian. You do have to be a member to use a CC CL. CL owners manage their sites under guidance of Club, using methods of paperwork provided by the Club. If I ring to book a pitch, I give my membership number, my card may be checked
on arrival, for a first time visit it nearly always is.Unless you are just someone touring that sees a CL sign in passing, then getting access to CL details is only available to members. Via the handbook, via the Club website, and you have to log in as a member.
When we have been staying on our favourite CL, and passing visitors have called in to ask if they can stay, membership was always checked.
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So, am I right in reading into this that 'in theory' you need to be a CC member to use a CL....but in practise, you don't really need to be a member?
I'll bet the CC won't want that news to get out......in view of all those numbers who only pay their membership fee to gain access to the CL network.
Write your comments here...I have never been asked for my membership card when arriving on a CL, however i also quote my number when making a booking maybe there are a lot of CL owners who think everyone is honest.
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We rarely show ours on arrival SELL, but then we provide all our details over phone or in an email if we book in advance. Some CLs have automated bookings now as well.
But we are digressing into CLs, when this thread is about none members on Club Sites.
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There is really no "theory" Ian. You do have to be a member to use a CC CL. CL owners manage their sites under guidance of Club, using methods of paperwork provided by the Club. If I ring to book a pitch, I give my membership number, my card may be checked
on arrival, for a first time visit it nearly always is.Unless you are just someone touring that sees a CL sign in passing, then getting access to CL details is only available to members. Via the handbook, via the Club website, and you have to log in as a member.
When we have been staying on our favourite CL, and passing visitors have called in to ask if they can stay, membership was always checked.
Well I don't know TtDA as I've never stayed on a CL, but several posters have said that no membership number has been requested.
You say that all visitors to your favourite CL are asked for a number.....how do you know this?
I think you are incorrect in saying that non-members cannot access site details on the CC web site. I can view them whether I'm logged in or not.
Also, are you saying that a land owner cannot let people pitch their caravan on their land without that person being a CC member? Doesn't sound quite right.
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I am not interested in debating what CL owners do to be honest Ian. In 30 years, we have had no issues using them, are grateful that such locations exist, and don't really care a hoot how the owners manage their property, as long as they are safe, clean and welcoming. This has been our experience, and we don't anticipate any future issues, unless some keyboard warrior decides to poke a hornets nest unnecessarily.
Besides, I am watching Zlatan play Italy!
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Chatsworth is one of our favourite sites and we go as often as we can as we're less than an hour away. Always full at weekends but you can usually get in mid week. If you dare leave it you can usually get a pitch from the Tuesday or Wednesday immediatley
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I think you are incorrect in saying that non-members cannot access site details on the CC web site. I can view them whether I'm logged in or not.
I can only get a pin location on the map, without being logged in. If you ask for any more details it throws up the log in screen.
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I think you are incorrect in saying that non-members cannot access site details on the CC web site. I can view them whether I'm logged in or not.
I can only get a pin location on the map, without being logged in. If you ask for any more details it throws up the log in screen.
Anyone can view Club Sites, but to get full details of CLs, you have to log in as a member. At least as far as I am aware, it always sends me to log in page before full details of an individual CL comes up.
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Also, are you saying that a land owner cannot let people pitch their caravan on their land without that person being a CC member? Doesn't sound quite right.
It might be easy to think that if a landowner (or his tenant) enters into an agreement for a "recognised camping or caravaning club" which allows up to 5 'vans without planning permission then he cannot allow additional 'vans on his land. So what if the
land extends to tens of thousands of acres? Is there a minumim distance required between CL type sites? Apparently not when there are CC and C&CCC locations virtualy adjacent to each other in some places.There is also some 1935 legislation that allows up to 10 tents on private land without planning permission.
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I think you are incorrect in saying that non-members cannot access site details on the CC web site. I can view them whether I'm logged in or not.
I can only get a pin location on the map, without being logged in. If you ask for any more details it throws up the log in screen.
Anyone can view Club Sites, but to get full details of CLs, you have to log in as a member. At least as far as I am aware, it always sends me to log in page before full details of an individual CL comes up.
Thought you didn't want to discuss this
Anyway, it turns out that you are correct, you cannot view CL details unless you are logged on.
But wait a minute......non members can log onto CT can't they?
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Also, are you saying that a land owner cannot let people pitch their caravan on their land without that person being a CC member? Doesn't sound quite right.
It might be easy to think that if a landowner (or his tenant) enters into an agreement for a "recognised camping or caravaning club" which allows up to 5 'vans without planning permission then he cannot allow additional 'vans on his land.
So what if the land extends to tens of thousands of acres? Is there a minumim distance required between CL type sites? Apparently not when there are CC and C&CCC locations virtualy adjacent to each other in some places.There is also some 1935 legislation that allows up to 10 tents on private land without planning permission.
But do all (or any) of those caravans have to belong to CC / C&CC members?
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It's also possible to get the names of the CLs by doing a search by map (without logging on)and then in a lot of cases the address comes up if you google the name as they either have a website or someone has posted a review.
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It's also possible to get the names of the CLs by doing a search by map (without logging on)and then in a lot of cases the address comes up if you google the name as they either have a website or someone has posted a review.
Google Maps has a search function that brings up details in the search panel including web site, phone number etc if recorded on the tinternet per se. Isn't technology great.
There is alao a resource on here ie CT that brings up CL's on a map with pinpoints that open to the details on the tinternet.
Does CC really mean Command & Control?
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The primary legislation is The Control of Development of Caravan Sites Act 1960. Exemptions are available for small sites i.e. CLs and CSs subject to conditions such as persons using these sites must be members of the relevant Club, the number of vans is
limited to 5 and the duration of stay of any individual is limited to 21 days. However motorways have a 70 mph limit need I say more?0 -
Am I correct in saying that a landowner can have a CL on part of his land and then another small caravan site on another (maybe adjacent) bit of land?
There was one featured in last months PC and I have come accross another before. I think they need another licence for the site though.
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Am I correct in saying that a landowner can have a CL on part of his land and then another small caravan site on another (maybe adjacent) bit of land?
We have used a CL where the owner had two fields side by side. Both had 5 pitches and one was the CL and one was for anyone to use. We were never asked for our membership card.
In total we used 4 CL sites and not once were we asked for our membership number or card.
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There are all sorts of different CL/CS set ups. Some have 2 CLs, with separate facilities; some have a CL and a CS: some have a CL or a CS, with a small private site alongside. Some may have a rally field adjacent or close by. Some have a van storage area
in the proximity.We have used all types and never had any problems. It would be wise of CL owners to make these arrangements plain in handbook and on website, as there are a lot of members who may not have encountered anything beyond the "usual" 5 van set up. Usually the
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as there are a lot of members who may not have encountered anything beyond the "usual" 5 van set up.
And also quite a lot who get agitated and cry "We only want five" when they find anything beyond the usual set up. Oh dear...
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We had a look at a CL that also had a fishery site on the same land and owned by the same family, the fishery pitches were 8 all on gravel with grass next to them for sitting out, a lovely view of the lake. The CL was on bumpy uneven grass field stuck in
a corner, only a couple of quid between them I know which one I would use.0
