Non members on busy club sites
we were unable to make bookings on the last December do to ill health and now find that we cannot get a pitch on popular sites as they are fully booked ,even mid week and it's not yet school holidays. 3 that I have tried for the last weeks are, Seacroft,
Chatsworth and York Rowntree park all available to nonmembers. Should the club show more consideration for members ?
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Do you know for certain non members have made bookings?
We are unable to book on frenzy day due to not knowing when we can get away and are tied to school holidays, should the club show us more consideration?
We recently managed to book into Chatsworth on a Super Serviced pitch, mid week in the upcoming school holidays. Keep checking online or call the site as the wardens have a better picture of availability. We booked online.
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I think it's more likely those sites are booked because they are very popular and busy rather than them being booked by non-members at premium prices.
I also suspect CC is sometimes forced to accept non-members as part of the local authority, or landowner, conditions.
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Those are possibly the two busiest sites on the whole network, along with Seacroft which is in a popular area as well. If you are looking for the warmer months, you really would need to get in there early to book unfortunately. But there are alternatives,
equally as nice, in nearby locations. I don't think it will be none members taking up all the pitches to be honest. People are cancelling, so perhaps keep trying, or go to a nearby alternative? Good luck anyway!0 -
I agree Tinwheeler. I think it is down to conditions imposed by local authorities in the terms if the lease. There are lots of other lovely sites though. I suggest a quick look in the late availabilties section on the CC website.
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To be bluntly honest, in 30 years of caravanning, we have yet to meet a none member on a Club Site (other than camping Or podding). You only have to stay four nights in a year as a none member to get back the joining fee, so why would anyone staying longer
than this, not become a member? Wouldn't make sense to me, but others may know of someone?
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As I understand it (but only from what I've read on here) there are relatively few bookings by non-members. Probably due to the non-member fee (about £10 per night, I think).
However, I agree that however low the numbers are, on popular sites non-members should not be allowed to stay (let alone book). If I'm honest, they shouldn't be allowed on any Club sites.
I'm not at all convinced by the oft-quoted idea that the terms of the lease might require non-members. Anyone with any experience of leases will know that the lease holder will impose as few restrictions as possible on the lease......because that would only reduce the value of the lease......which is not in their best interest.
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Well you must occupy a different, utopian world to me, Micky. But anyway, how is it in anyone's 'best interests' to deny a member of a club the opportunity to book a pitch at their club's site?
Obviously doesn't fit the discussion! Just made a statement of fact! It is possible sometimes to consider lifting covenants on leases mind but first you have to understand why they were written into such legal documents! Just look at the leases on many properties owned by The Church of England, for example and there are very many. They have many restrictions, some rather archaic and rather difficult to understand these days but hardly utopian many would argue! Now consider Local Authorities or land owners, they may also stipulate similar covenants!
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we were unable to make bookings on the last December do to ill health and now find that we cannot get a pitch on popular sites as they are fully booked ,even mid week and it's not yet school holidays. 3 that I have tried for the last weeks are, Seacroft,
Chatsworth and York Rowntree park all available to nonmembers. Should the club show more consideration for members ?Write your comments here...why would they do that , some sites are members only but some as you know are bookable by paying non -members that's how it is I'm afraid , first come first served........... that's life
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But the point is that it shouldn't be that way.
And Mickey......it really isn't that difficult to get restrictive covenants lifted.....if there is the will to do so.
That is correct in many cases as I suggested in my post, Ian but some are not that easy to 'lift' for a whole variety of reasons! Not always down to 'will' or profit I'm afraid!
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In general non members are allowed on sites where it is a requirement of the lease or licence rather than the clubs choice. There are some less popular sites where it may be needed to balance the books though.
We have used club sites for 28 years and I can only remember non members being their when I booked in twice. On one of these the lady warden did not even know how to do it and it was September showing the numbers there. She did try to add £10 per person per night making it a silly price.
On the other the people had not booked but turned up having seen the caravan park sign. They got the hard sell from the warden with enough fervour for you to think he was getting the fee if they joined.
Frankly the extra £10 per night is so high it is likely to put most nonmembers off but that might be the idea.
Frankly I think the numbers are minimal and the problem with the sites quoted is simply demand vastly exceeds supply and they are in areas where more capacity is needed.
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Well you must occupy a different, utopian world to me, Micky. But anyway, how is it in anyone's 'best interests' to deny a member of a club the opportunity to book a pitch at their club's site?
Write your comments here...I just wonder how on earth the CC would police member /non members bookings ! at the expense of cancelling booking for the convenience of someone who thinks they have preference over someone else !! get real it's first come , first
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To the OP whoever said life was fair? Be grateful you now have your health back and get out with your caravan, so Get over it, there are other sites other than the CC. And yes I have had serious health issues which impacted on holiday plans, last year.
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It would be so simple to allow non-members to book, but only two weeks (or such) in advance of the start of their stay.
But that would be done only if we were still a members' club.
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I think some of you are going off on a tangent
Can anybody, especialy the OP, definitely state that non members have prevented
anybody reserving a pitch on these very well patronised sites, I personaly think not. As TtDA states, if you want to visit these popular sites then you have to book early, simple..... Could this be a case of sour grapes?....
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You may well be right, Brian. In fact, you probably are.
But why don't they simply not allow non-members to use these popular sites?
I find it rather irritating to arrive at a very popular site (eg Rowntree) only to see the sign at the gate saying "Non members welcome"
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Forgive me but I haven't read all the post, but it surely doesn't pay to pay the massive extra cost for none members on a c c site, I haven't checked recently but isn't it About £12 night more
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imagine any none member would book 1 or more weeks at that extra cost , it would pay them to become members first0 -
Forgive me but I haven't read all the post, but it surely doesn't pay to pay the massive extra cost for none members on a c c site, I haven't checked recently but isn't it About £12 night more
Cant imagine any none member would book 1 or more weeks at that extra cost , it would pay them to become members first that's right, four days and 'your' membership is almost 'paid' for. For that reason I'll bet that non members staying on sites are in an insignificant number. I'll also bet that several in this position are just tempted into joining the club to off set that extra cost and thus become members! Win, win as they say!
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You may well be right, Brian. In fact, you probably are.
But why don't they simply not allow non-members to use these popular sites?
I find it rather irritating to arrive at a very popular site (eg Rowntree) only to see the sign at the gate saying "Non members welcome"
Ian, could it be another way for the club to increase membership? As has been said, if non members stay for four nights or more, then it will pay them to become members. They can do this at time of payment I believe. I must say that in my time on club sites I/we haven't met any non members. Not that we make a point of asking every body we meet,
when on CLs we naturaly assume that we are amongst members. Though reading some of the posts on CLs that could be questionable as lots say that they are never asked for their membership card0 -
We have used quite a lot of CCC CSs and found in a lot of cases that they have a bigger problem with their maths than CC CLs. In a lot of cases we found that 5 is the new 8 or even ten if you include tents, we now only use the ones we know in the CCC, sorry, gone off topic again
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On the question of CL's, given that you make the booking direct with them, do they actually check that you are a member of CC?
I'm just wondering whether they would turn away business, when it makes no practical difference to them whether you are a member or not.
I've never used a CL but I do have a booking at a CS. They didn't ask me whether I'm a C&CC member (I am, though).
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I dont know whether its the same now as 10 years ago but we used to go to Ferry Meadows before we were members and you could only book during the week before the week end you wanted to go i.e if you wanted to book a weekend you could only book from Monday
onwards. We couldnt get in on some occasions so became a member.0
