Blue pegs and sun canopies
Are we allowed to erect a "Sun Canopy" to our caravan on a blue peg pitch - we have seen motor homes with their sun canopies extended.
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I assume a blue peg pitch is a none awning pitch? Excuse my lack of knowledge but seldom use Club Sites.
MH can use a wind out awning on a none awning pitch, only if it stays within the pitch boundary. They won't usually be parking a car on the pitch as well, so this gives a MH more space on a none awning pitch. Hope that makes sense. It is all to do with maintaining
a rigid Distance between units on sites, in case of fire. Somewhere on This website will be the Club's explanation of pitch types!0 -
Dodi, see below. Basicly on a non awning pitch you are allowed 2 items, ie. car + caravan, Motorhome + canopy, as TDA says caravans will have a car on the pitch so there is not enough room for a canopy aswell.
Posted by a staff member when previously discussed:
"Standard Pitch Without Awning
Members cannot use awnings of any shape or size (including porch awnings) on this pitch type.
Motorhomes can use a wind-out sun shade as long as a 3 metre fire separation is maintained.
Members may be asked to wind the canopy in sufficiently to achieve the 3 metre gap."
There'd be no problem with your sun canopy on a 'Standard Pitch with Awning'.
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It's likely that your sun canopy would end up on the dividing strip of ground between pitches and would, therefore, not be permitted. If you think you need your canopy you could consider changing your booking for a standard with awning pitch.
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Ah, but thinking outside the normal CC box, (which granted is not always advisable), in theory there is nothing stopping someone with a caravan parking their vehicle in the visitors car park, and utilising the space gained with a canopy that fits within
the pitch! Think of the fitness gain, think of the gasps from other campers, the wobble of the tractor as the Wardens pass by, the disbelief of passing dogs with no wheel arch to pee up!Come the Revolution!
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You'd have to pitch nose in to get the required space for the canopy though as you can't 'move the caravan over' to gain any space because that would break the spacing limitations between units.
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Ah, the spacing regulations between units....the sacred law....and the blue pegs. Do any of you wonder why you never meet me on a Club site ?
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We've been on many a non awning pitch that had ample room to deploy a canopy so not all non awning pitches are small, it quite often the space in between that is insufficient. Having said all that if the pitch is big enough for car/caravan the it is big
enough for a motorhome and canopy, just maybe not fully wound out.0 -
sun canopys should have the same rule as awnings othewise its not fair. some of the canopys are huger than the awnings and have sides zipped in and full of stuff so they are just and awning in reality that is always attached on the van
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I think the thread is talking about the wind out variety mainly, without any sides or full of clutter. Perfectly acceptable on a none awning pitch if on a MH, and not wound out beyond pitch limits. Some sites such as Old Hartley don't allow awnings or canopies
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sun canopys should have the same rule as awnings othewise its not fair. some of the canopys are huger than the awnings and have sides zipped in and full of stuff so they are just and awning in reality that is always attached on the van
My footprint is much smaller than your average cvan and awning with all the other regalia. My MH has a wind out canopy but I have no car, windbreak, freestanding BBQ, sides on the canopy, Aquaroll, Wastemaster....... Fair? Come
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I would have thought it depends on the canopy you have. If you have a fixed canopy on the side of the caravan which can be stopped in any position then surely you can use this in the same way as a motorhome can. If this cannot be done then it looks like
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The answer is yes, a caravan can have a sun canopy without sides on a non awning pitch as long as the 3 metre rule is observed. If there is not enough space for the car then it has to go into the car park area.
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The answer is yes, a caravan can have a sun canopy without sides on a non awning pitch as long as the 3 metre rule is observed. If there is not enough space for the car then it has to go into the car park area.
On a non awning pitch there won't be enough space for a car, caravan and then a canopy, that's why its a non awning pitch, if there was room it would be called an awning pitch simples
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The answer is yes, a caravan can have a sun canopy without sides on a non awning pitch as long as the 3 metre rule is observed. If there is not enough space for the car then it has to go into the car park area.
On a non awning pitch there won't be enough space for a car, caravan and then a canopy, that's why its a non awning pitch, if there was room it would be called an awning pitch simples
As a warden I can assure you a sun canopy can be used without sides on a non awning pitch and the car would be placed in the car park.
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The answer is yes, a caravan can have a sun canopy without sides on a non awning pitch as long as the 3 metre rule is observed. If there is not enough space for the car then it has to go into the car park area.
On a non awning pitch there won't be enough space for a car, caravan and then a canopy, that's why its a non awning pitch, if there was room it would be called an awning pitch simples
As a warden I can assure you a sun canopy can be used without sides on a non awning pitch and the car would be placed in the car park.
I can see this would work as far as spacing is concerned. However, it would be nice if a few spaces in small car parks were available for day visitors. Also what would said person do if they went out for the day and no car parking remained. Presumably take down the awning? To me it is all getting a bit complicated, much better to have a clearly defined policy of non awning means just that.
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Come on, it's nothing like an awning!
We had a canopy on the RV. We only wound it out once just to see if it worked - and even then I was too worried about the wind getting under it and it taking the side off the RV, but you could park the car under it with ease it was enormous! Like awnings they vary from tiny to huge.
its a no to caravans.....full stop...
for motorhomers, it is allowed provided that the spacing is maintained...
surely whatever the policy it should apply to both equally - many MHs have a car as well.
What about pup tents on non awning pitches - are they allowed?
PS - thank you to Mark who is taking the time to respond as a warden - it is really helpfull to know 'from the horses mouth' what they are told by EG as opposed to rumours.
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The answer is yes, a caravan can have a sun canopy without sides on a non awning pitch as long as the 3 metre rule is observed. If there is not enough space for the car then it has to go into the car park area.
On a non awning pitch there won't be enough space for a car, caravan and then a canopy, that's why its a non awning pitch, if there was room it would be called an awning pitch simples
As a warden I can assure you a sun canopy can be used without sides on a non awning pitch and the car would be placed in the car park.
Write your comments here...Presumably the van would need to be nose in, as stated previously on smaller pitches as the peg dictates the safe spacing?
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So a caravan with a canopy is not allowed, but a MH is - how is that fair? Caravan might have the towcar in the carpark, and a MH with a towed car on the pitch?
As long as its all within the pitch then surely the same rules must apply to caravans and MH's.
Either a canopy is an awning, in which case it falls into awning rules, or it is something different and has different rules irrespective of what it is attached to.
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That is ok then, I was just following what BB had said that a caravan couldnt have a canopy but a MH could.
Glad its cleared up and either can. All is now fair in love, war and pitching etiquette.
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I have absolutely no problem with mark's interpretation, it is just common sense, and perfectly within the Club's guidance. Forget the argument about canopies, awnings, caravan or MH, it is all about the space. If a van has a canopy on it, and is willing
to park car elsewhere, then this is no different to a MH with a canopy. Talking quick up and down example here, not a frame tent with zip in out sides!0 -
Can see where you are coming from BB, but I think it is just the Club's use of "caravan" as opposed to "outfit" that is at fault. Happens a lot with Club, MH have exploded in terms of usage in last few years, and Club is only just catching up in terms of
wording. It really should be about the space available rather than what is on that space to be fair to all. (Not you, but those requiring precise interpretations to enable them to function adequately may disagree of course.)0 -
Unless there are other areas where MH's and caravans are treated differently under CC rules then surely whatever the policy is it applies equally to both.
In places the term 'caravan' is used to encompass both types of unit, this is just another example of the same I hope
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