Blue pegs and sun canopies
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Just make it simple, not open to interpretation / where you put your car, or wether you have a caravan or Motorhome. They are marketed as non awning, they should be just that.
they are non-awning....theyre not 'non canopy for MH'
caravanners often want space for a car, a caravan, an awning, a bit extra for the barrels and then they want somewhere 'to sit out'....but not in the awning....
MHer have little of this multitude of kit and space requirement, usually just a place to park and then, perhaps, wind out the canopy under which they can place their chairs....
a MH canopy is not an awning and the response from the club is that (subject to space regs) these are allowed...
it really is that simple
It would seem BB that at least Fiama disagree with you as they call them awnings. Extract from their website.
The innovative and compact awning of Italian design.The easy-to-use awning which joins todays best technologies, service and quality! Constantly renewed, the F45 S awning is compact, functional and of superior quality, making it the best choice for your holidays!
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Whilst we are on pitching etiquette, the rules is "to the peg". It doesn't stipulate "at right angles to the road". I wonder what the response would be to a van pitched at an angle?
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I often used to pitch 'sideways on' to enjoy the best the pitch had to offer in terms of sun or shade but the spacing regulations now don't permit such flexibility on a CC site.
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However, we have a warden who says it would be OK if the car was parked elsewhere. In my opinion that is the problem when you have what is a clear demarcation, in awning and non awning, and then start to put exceptions to this. Yes I know what the CC has said and I am not disputing this. I am just stating that in my opinion it is a recipe for confusion. Just remember that only a fraction of the CC membership use CT and are therefore not party to this information.
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I often used to pitch 'sideways on' to enjoy the best the pitch had to offer in terms of sun or shade but the spacing regulations now don't permit such flexibility on a CC site.
Us too Jill, still do on none Club Sites, CLs. Those were the days!
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Two points to consider:
Would be helpful if OP could describe what they mean by sun canopy? (I am guilty of thinking of this as a wind out, fixed to side of MH/van Fiamma type job, with no sides or front, can be wound out as far as you need, or as little as space allows)
There is a great deal of difference between the above Fiamma type, which is extendable and takes 60 seconds or so to wind in or out, and a traditional awning, run into the railing, sort out the the poles, one
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sorry, but the directive doesnt say 'caravan' not does it say 'outfit'....
it specifically says that it is allowed for 'motorhomes'....there is no ambiguity in what is written, only in how some are attempting to interpret it...
for the hard of reading, here it is again....
"Standard Pitch Without Awning
Members cannot use awnings of any shape or size (including porch awnings) on this pitch type.
Motorhomes can use a wind-out sun shade as long as a 3 metre fire separation is maintained.
Members may be asked to wind the canopy in sufficiently to achieve the 3 metre gap."
steve, it doesnt matter what Fiamma (or i) say, its what the club says thats important in this instance.
The statement 'members can't use awnings of any shape or size does NOT mention sun shade!
the rules specific to motorhomes being able to use sun shade is certainly because traditionally only motor homes used sun shades........I've never seen one on a caravan.
As has been confirmed by a warden........common sense applies and provided car is parked else where there is no reason a caravan and sunshade could not be used on a blue peg pitch!
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I think this thread illustrates, once again, the "club can't win" nature of posts on CT. We have some folk complaining about how rule bound club sites are and another set suggesting that the club should be sticking rigidly to every word in this particular rule..
BB - you can't have it both ways. You frequently tell us how relaxed and rule free continental sites are and yet here you're arguing for no shift from a particuar rule. (A cynic might say it's because the wording of that rule appears to advantage MH owners -
I couldn't possibly comment!
)I'd have thought it was absolutely clear, and confirmed by a warden on here, that a roll out sun canopy on any outfit would be allowed as long as spacing is maintained. It may take a little while for CC rules to be reworded to include what is, after all,
a fairly recent innovation on caravans, but I think the "spirit" of the rule is clear!
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One of the accessories available for the Iconic Silver Bullet range of caravans is roll out awning with no legs standing on the ground as it is supported by struts attached to the body of the caravan.Some large RV's use a similar type of shade.
Perhaps the criteria for clarification of sun shades/ awnings on CC pitches might be. If any part of the structure stands on the ground then it is classed as an awning if not it is classed as a shade.
K
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Thanks for the lecture, BB! Let me explain what I'm "going on about" , since you found it difficult to understand, so that it's clear.
I was merely asking why you seem so exercised about this particular rule and the fact that the CC should stick so rigidly to every word?
But apparently you see it as a personal challenge of some kind!
I'm not sure about your position on rules now - do you want the CC to stick rigidly to every word of every rule or are you in favour of common sense application as seems to be the case here?
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I think that neither awnings, roll out canopies, pup tents, gazebos, or whirrygig clothes displays should be allowed on non-awning pitches as they will be spoiling someone else's view.
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"(A cynic might say it's because the wording of that rule appears to advantage MH owners - "I couldn't possibly comment!
)"then take your own advice
you see, whenever someone suggests something works well on sites overseas, the 'regular crew' (mustnt use derogatory collective nouns) start spitting feathers, calling foul (or should that be fowl) and quoting different sets of rules covering sites, employment, local taxes etc etc.....
so, here we have a clearly worded rule which i am happy to abide by, yet it seems that some (a cynic might say it's because the wording of that rule appears to advantage MH owners - I couldn't possibly comment!
) would like to bend this.yes, we have heard that one warden allows this, perhaps hes using his discretion, again, i have no issue with this.
however, the rule is clear. if the club has instructed wardens to relax it and allow caravans with wind outs, again i have no issue......except that it would good to remove any doubt and get the rule matching the actions....a comment from the sites team to, perhaps reword their previois decision posting?
no personal challenge on my part, other than the fact that when a 'europhile' thinks a cc rule should be relaxed, theres hell to pay. nowthe boots on the other foot and (god forbid) a europhile wants to uphold a cc rule, that cant be right either.
so, i think you want it both ways M, not me.
care to comment......oh no, you're not going to are you?
Write your comments here...Good post BB --- Accurate summing up of the situation,---- if you don't mind me saying so.
K
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I think that neither awnings, roll out canopies, pup tents, gazebos, or whirrygig clothes displays should be allowed on non-awning pitches as they will be spoiling someone else's view.
OK, Nav, I'll have to settle for a couple of poles flying !2 foot x 8 foot Union Flags then
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"(A cynic might say it's because the wording of that rule appears to advantage MH owners - "I couldn't possibly comment!
)"then take your own advice
you see, whenever someone suggests something works well on sites overseas, the 'regular crew' (mustnt use derogatory collective nouns) start spitting feathers, calling foul (or should that be fowl) and quoting different sets of rules covering sites,
employment, local taxes etc etc.....so, here we have a clearly worded rule which i am happy to abide by, yet it seems that some (a cynic might say it's because the wording of that rule appears to advantage MH owners - I couldn't possibly comment!
)
would like to bend this.yes, we have heard that one warden allows this, perhaps hes using his discretion, again, i have no issue with this.
however, the rule is clear. if the club has instructed wardens to relax it and allow caravans with wind outs, again i have no issue......except that it would good to remove any doubt and get the rule matching the actions....a comment from the
sites team to, perhaps reword their previois decision posting?no personal challenge on my part, other than the fact that when a 'europhile' thinks a cc rule should be relaxed, theres hell to pay. nowthe boots on the other foot and (god forbid) a europhile wants to uphold a cc rule, that cant be right either.
so, i think you want it both ways M, not me.
care to comment......oh no, you're not going to are you?
OK, BB have it your way. I'm giving up trying to have a reasonable discussion with you.
Now, take a big breath and .... relax. Feel better now? I do, I'm sitting in a nice CL with lovely rural views, just off for a walk in after lunch.
Hope your blood pressure gets back to normal soon!
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At least flags move about a bit!
P.S. It's not the Union flag that I fly.
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"(A cynic might say it's because the wording of that rule appears to advantage MH owners - "I couldn't possibly comment!
)"then take your own advice
you see, whenever someone suggests something works well on sites overseas, the 'regular crew' (mustnt use derogatory collective nouns) start spitting feathers, calling foul (or should that be fowl) and quoting different sets of rules covering sites,
employment, local taxes etc etc.....so, here we have a clearly worded rule which i am happy to abide by, yet it seems that some (a cynic might say it's because the wording of that rule appears to advantage MH owners - I couldn't possibly comment!
)
would like to bend this.yes, we have heard that one warden allows this, perhaps hes using his discretion, again, i have no issue with this.
however, the rule is clear. if the club has instructed wardens to relax it and allow caravans with wind outs, again i have no issue......except that it would good to remove any doubt and get the rule matching the actions....a comment from the
sites team to, perhaps reword their previois decision posting?no personal challenge on my part, other than the fact that when a 'europhile' thinks a cc rule should be relaxed, theres hell to pay. nowthe boots on the other foot and (god forbid) a europhile wants to uphold a cc rule, that cant be right either.
so, i think you want it both ways M, not me.
care to comment......oh no, you're not going to are you?
OK, BB have it your way. I'm giving up trying to have a reasonable discussion with you.
Now, take a big breath and .... relax. Feel better now? I do, I'm sitting in a nice CL with lovely rural views, just off for a walk in after lunch.
Hope your blood pressure gets back to normal soon!
+1 three M, all those lecturing must take it out of him
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Everyone please discuss nicely and be respectful of others opinions,
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I don't see what is wrong with my post that prompted a "play nicely" comment, followed by a message from the forum administrator.
Before I get banned, could anyone please tell me what is wrong with this:-
"At least flags move about a bit!
P.S. It's not the Union flag that I fly."
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