Pitch allocation at Rowntree
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Well, all I can say is that our 7.2 metre overall length caravan would fit quite easily on any pitch at Rowntree.
We hope to buy a twin axle one day (8 metres) and would not wish or expect a pitch to be reserved for us.
Oh, and I assume that Rochelle will not be further explaining her previous comment about widening the spacing of some pitches to take awnings (and simply re-designating some others as awning pitches without changing anything) has somehow meant that twin
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Well, all I can say is that our 7.2 metre overall length caravan would fit quite easily on any pitch at Rowntree.
We hope to buy a twin axle one day (8 metres) and would not wish or expect a pitch to be reserved for us.
Oh, and I assume that Rochelle will not be further explaining her previous comment about widening the spacing of some pitches to take awnings (and simply re-designating some others as awning pitches without changing anything) has somehow meant that twin axle (i.e. longer) caravans will no longer fit on them.
.Why should any more need explaining to all but one? that is obviose to the majority of posts is glaringly obvios
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Well, all I can say is that our 7.2 metre overall length caravan would fit quite easily on any pitch at Rowntree.
We hope to buy a twin axle one day (8 metres) and would not wish or expect a pitch to be reserved for us.
Oh, and I assume that Rochelle will not be further explaining her previous comment about widening the spacing of some pitches to take awnings (and simply re-designating some others as awning pitches without changing anything) has somehow meant that twin
axle (i.e. longer) caravans will no longer fit on them.you've lost me there Ian, again!
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JVB I don't know what you mean, but either you or Mickey, could you please explain how widening a pitch to accept an awning means that it can no longer accept a twin axle caravan, when it did before it was widened
no, I'll clearly leave it to those that know best!
Those that have the intimate knowledge and understanding!
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Well, all I can say is that our 7.2 metre overall length caravan would fit quite easily on any pitch at Rowntree.
We hope to buy a twin axle one day (8 metres) and would not wish or expect a pitch to be reserved for us.
Oh, and I assume that Rochelle will not be further explaining her previous comment about widening the spacing of some pitches to take awnings (and simply re-designating some others as awning pitches without changing anything) has somehow meant that twin
axle (i.e. longer) caravans will no longer fit on them.Write your comments here...yes u should be ok on pitch 4 as long as u are able to lie on the floor next to the bushes to get your back legs down. And also assuming your waste pipes are not at the rear of your van
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We have had concerns with our t/a van at Rowntree on the old centre pitches where the back of the van has been almost up against the hedge but more of a concern was the tow hitch being right up to the road..
peter.
It is true, Peter that some of the pitches on one side of the central rows are slightly shorter than the other side......but a twin will definitely fit on them, as you have found.
I agree that it might not be ideal, but is certainly manageable, as you found
But I still don't think that some members should be given priority over others. First come, first served.
I quite agree i,ve always been a great believer in the first come first served system.We have stayed at Rowntre many,many times on many different pitches and we,ve always managed.The only time i,ve seen a pitch reserved at Rowntree was for a giant RV that
had to be let in via the back gate of the site as it was too large to get in at the normal entrance.peter.
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We should all support the CC and their decision to limit their size of pitches on their network of sites. Its a commercial decision to provide the maximum number of pitches any particular site can support.
Where the CC could assist members is to publish in their site details the maximum size of unit that each of their sites can accommodate on any pitch.
That way members can choose to visit an appropriate site commiserate with the size of their unit.
K
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With all this agonising over jumbo vans it makes me glad my 4 berth is 4.7m. What you lot do with another 3 metres of space is a bit beyond me unless you are accommodating the next generation of CC'ers.
the shipping length of your van will be over 6m though. Ours is a 4.7 internal length - total length is 6.6m which was too long to fit on one of the pitches at Rowntree leaving enough room at the back for winding steadies down.
About the same as mine then. Given the relatively modest size of our vans, I would venture to suggest that any pitch on any club site that cannot accommodate a van of say 7M overall is not fit for purpose as the vast majority are at least that length or
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If the pitches are wide enough for a caravan, awning and car; say 9mts as near as makes any difference, they must be able to accomodate a caravan pitched adjacent to the road. If they are then 7mts deep, they can squeeze a caravan, awning and car on too.
Obviously the peg would have to be moved from the back to the right or left side.
A pitch is a box, sometimes you have to think outside of it
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Unfortunately Keefy Sher you are forgetting the requirement of 6 metres between the facing walls of units if you park as suggested this would then have possible health and safety issues
due to the required space being encroached upon. Good idea though.
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"That way members can choose to visit an appropriate site commiserate with the size of their unit. "
And we can all "commensurate" with them if they can't get a pitch where they want!!
Write your comments here...Thank you M - We all make spelling mistakes -- Even the good good guys.like you and I
K
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Unfortunately Keefy Sher you are forgetting the requirement of 6 metres between the facing walls of units if you park as suggested this would then have possible health and safety issues
due to the required space being encroached upon. Good idea though.How wide are the site roads? More than 2 mts I suspect.
Lets do the sums:
My caravan is 2.26mts wide with a 560mm door, so 2.82 to give access sans awning. Awning is 2.5mts deep, with say .5mt for access. Car is 1.87smts wide with doors closed, rear doors open by .9mts. Caravan overall length is 7.49mts, plus .5 to get the steadies
downTherefore largest footprint is 8.03 x 7.99mts.
Caravan front wall to awning is 2.5mts, +.5mts access +2.77mts for car with door open + width of road which is wider then the caravan is 2.5mt + distances on pitch on other side of the road makes front wall to front wall at least 8.27mts if the wall was
on the kerb and their car was behind the caravan. But wot if their caravan had the wall perpendicular to the road?Elf n safe t doesn't come into it. Rare sense must be applied too.
We stayed on a CC site and a commercial site over Easter. Both were booked for caravan and awning in case the weather forecast was wrong. As it was we didn't deploy the awning on either site. The pitches on both were the same size and shape. The CC booking
system knows our caravan make and model, ergo it's size. The commercial site asked the length as under or over 25'. The metric 7.49mts is 24.573' or 25'7" in old money. The pitches at the CC were all hardstanding as the grass pitches were closed and were
of similar sizes by a quick look with the eception of 4 for very large RV's on them. All units on the CC were pitched rear in to the peg left of centre, like lines of soldiers. The pitches at the commercial site were grass, or mud as people churned them up
over the time we were there. Each pitch was defined by a rear picket fence or wall with a short picket fence of c2mts at the side from the rear. Units were pitch rear in on some pitches, front in on others, and many side on, with some diagonally' to make the
most of the sea view and sunsets. Some pitches were shallower, hence the under or over 25' question. On both sites children were playing, people conversing.Just what holidays are all about!!
The CC site was the higher priced, with it being Easter school holidays and us being a family.
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That is the system almost every where we go (apart from CC sites), there is "your "pitch use it as you want to the best advantage and the world does not come to an end
That is the system almost every where we go (apart from CC sites), there is "your "pitch use it as you want to the best advantage and the world does not come to an end
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"That way members can choose to visit an appropriate site commiserate with the size of their unit. "
And we can all "commensurate" with them if they can't get a pitch where they want!!
Write your comments here...Thank you M - We all make spelling mistakes -- Even the good good guys.like you and I
K
Think that should be "like you and me" shouldn't it K, not that I'm one to be picky about correct grammar!
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The CC is tied into the 6m/3m spacing recommendations and at Rowntree there wouldn't be enough space between units if neighbouring vans pitched sideways on a pitch. My solution would be to make sure there was the required gap between hard standings to allow
varied pitching. The CC has gone along the route of pitching to the peg.Personally I prefer to be the recommended distance From neighbours and more if possible. Others prefer flexibility of how they use the pitch. One thing is for sure though - there isn't sufficient space at Rowntree to do anything other than pitch right on
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After pouring over the site plan for Rowantree Park for a while I think I can see the "adding an awning shortens the pitch" situation. It is to do with the 6m spacing and occurs when pitches are side by side on a curve.
Imagine a curved site road with pitches on the outside with 8m 'vans (number of axles is irrelevant). The 6m would be measured between front corners of adjacent 'vans. Now add an awning to each 'van. Closest points become front corner of one awning to corner
of adjacent van, which means moving the pitches further apart.However, as the 'vans are arranged like spokes in a wheel, if the front corners are moved back then the 6m can be maintained without reducing the number of pitches. Unfortunately the back of the 8m long pitch cannot be moved back as there are solid obstructions,
so it is necessary to shorten the pitch below the length necessary to accomodate a 8m 'van.As the first person to give the solution to the Caravan Club Conundrum of the Month, I hereby claim the prize of a Free Night Site Voucher. Good luck, chaps, with the May competition.
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That is how basically the reason this thread was started,those of us who have used Rowtree Park either before, during,or since the alterations know how extreamly busy and compact it is,and most of us realise that it has always been a problem for larger size leisure vehicles,which has always as far back as I can remember of using this site, been well managed by all the wardens,and as can been seen by the majority of posts some pitches are just not suitable for any size and without losing pitches it will never be able to,and trying to compare to "other"places or organisations will only "cloud " what is a specific "problem" to this and a couple more sites of similar age, when family caravans were big at 15ft internal length,and now on the small size compared to todays sizes that seem to be the "norm"
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The CC is tied into the 6m/3m spacing recommendations and at Rowntree there wouldn't be enough space between units if neighbouring vans pitched sideways on a pitch. My solution would be to make sure there was the required gap between hard standings to allow
varied pitching. The CC has gone along the route of pitching to the peg.Personally I prefer to be the recommended distance From neighbours and more if possible. Others prefer flexibility of how they use the pitch. One thing is for sure though - there isn't sufficient space at Rowntree to do anything other than pitch right on
the pegWrite your comments here...The pitch anywhere on the pitch requires a far larger spacing between the pitches and would reduce the numbers available. The current system allows tne maximum number to be fitted in where this is needed.
Sites that do not enforce the separation are in many cases risking their licences and could be puting you at risk if the units are too close together.
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Sorry will not accept that, if you have large van tough..live with it , saving pitches is wrong if the club cannot accommodate them they should not accept them as members
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if the club cannot accommodate them they should not accept them as members
The Club should make it a condition of membership to have a 'van in excess of 7.9 meters long..
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I have just made a booking at the site and the confirmation email states this:
"Sometimes pitch sizes vary on this site and we may need to allocate outfits above 7.8 metres or below 6 meters on arrival. This helps us to accommodate all visitors comfortably."
Absolutely the correct thing to do. Imagine if you are a 5 metre unit on a ten metre pitch - great. 9 metre van rolls up and only a smaller pitch free - he cant get on.
It's about time the CC used common sense and match pitches to unit sizes.
It's for that reason, and various others, I am not a member, with a 9 metre motorhome.
If the CC start to adopt a common sense approach, we might return. At present, the lose about 100 nights of bookings per year to the CCC, who, guess what, always have a large pitch up their sleeve for us.
Small unit - fits on any pitch. Large unit cant. Simple. Well done to the wardens at York. I might even go as a non member now.
Russ
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I have just made a booking at the site and the confirmation email states this:
"Sometimes pitch sizes vary on this site and we may need to allocate outfits above 7.8 metres or below 6 meters on arrival. This helps us to accommodate all visitors comfortably."
Absolutely the correct thing to do. Imagine if you are a 5 metre unit on a ten metre pitch - great. 9 metre van rolls up and only a smaller pitch free - he cant get on.
It's about time the CC used common sense and match pitches to unit sizes.
It's for that reason, and various others, I am not a member, with a 9 metre motorhome.
If the CC start to adopt a common sense approach, we might return. At present, the lose about 100 nights of bookings per year to the CCC, who, guess what, always have a large pitch up their sleeve for us.
Small unit - fits on any pitch. Large unit cant. Simple. Well done to the wardens at York. I might even go as a non member now.
Russ
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If they are allocating pitches, then they should do it over the whole network, that would be a level playing field we would all know where we stood, I chose a small unit, gives me a lot of space on a ave pitch, if they start putting me on a small pitch,
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I disagree with pitch allocation, we are all equal members and the club has always operated a "choose your own pitch" First come first served is good !!!
This is fair to all, I don't mind if all that is available is when I arrive is one of the smaller pitches.That's just my Donald Duck. I have never been agitated because somebody might have a larger pitch than me. "Live and let live" is a good attitude. We
are all on holiday I would never have my holiday spoiled by envying somebody else's pitch.K
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I disagree with pitch allocation, we are all equal members and the club has always operated a "choose your own pitch" First come first served is good !!!
This is fair to all, I don't mind if all that is available is when I arrive is one of the smaller pitches.That's just my Donald Duck. I have never been agitated because somebody might have a larger pitch than me. "Live and let live" is a good attitude. We are all on holiday I would never have my holiday spoiled by envying somebody else's pitch.
K
Write your comments here...K as is accepted by most "first come first served"is right,but there are one or two elderly sites on the cc network that there is never going to be pitches that will take some leisure vehicles Rowntree being one, and if an 8mtr vehicle was "forced " to use them they would obstruct the roadways in some places
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I disagree with pitch allocation, we are all equal members and the club has always operated a "choose your own pitch" First come first served is good !!!
This is fair to all, I don't mind if all that is available is when I arrive is one of the smaller pitches.That's just my Donald Duck. I have never been agitated because somebody might have a larger pitch than me. "Live and let live" is a good attitude. We
are all on holiday I would never have my holiday spoiled by envying somebody else's pitch.K
Write your comments here...K as is accepted by most "first come first served"is right,but there are one or two elderly sites on the cc network that there is never going to be pitches that will take some leisure vehicles Rowntree being one, and if an 8mtr
vehicle was "forced " to use them they would obstruct the roadways in some placesWrite your comments here...Easy answer J -- Rowntree and the sites to which you refer just need to publish the maximum size of outfit that they can comfortably accommodate.
Anybody exceeding this can quite easily find an alternative site in the general area.
K
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