Site Pricing
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Just recd a brochure from Sandy Balls sun- thurs per night 2people from £10 now to -£55 peak and sat -sun £15 now to £60 peak plus between nil now to £5 peak per night per dog,but if you book before 29th feb there is 10% discount
....phew, that sounded complicated.....
its easy, go out of season, SB is great for a tenner a night....
go at weekends, in peak, blooming dear.....guess when we go?
as i said upthread....mix and match, some great bargains from the commercials out there....
Great if you can go out of season and get those subsidised deals. Not so good for hard pressed families who have school commitments and have to pay the premium price though, is it?
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My point, BB was that families can't take advantage of those "subsidised" deals. They also don't have to pay £62 (Haven prices, apparently) a night to stay on a CC site. Now that's what I call a high price!
Edit - just checked Treamble Valley which is same area as Perran Sands - pitch, 2 adults and 2 children is £30.30 a night in peak, so less than half Haven's price!
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[quote] so, back hard pressed families, do you think CC summer/school prices are a good deal? [/quote]
As someone who is actually rather than theoretically speaking as a 'hard pressed family' I'm going to comment. Whilst I'm always happy to pay less I find that CC sites in the summer school holidays are significantly cheaper than comparable sites in the commercial sector and generally cheaper than the C&CC by a couple of quid per night.
I've said this before of course
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" I wouldn't pay £30 for a pitch anywhere, anytime..."
No, neither would I. But you slightly miss the point again. Your bargain break is subsidised partly by those skybhigh rates that families are paying in summer.
As far as comparing like with like is concerned, doesn't that also apply when you keep saying that CC sites are more expensive than commercial equivalents, which, when you strip out special deals, they rarely are to any great degree.
I agree with you that the CC could learn a thing or two from other operators in marketing special deals in low season, but let's not pretend that it's anything other than self interest - we could take advantage of them, families with school commitments would
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[quote] however, you havent really compared like with like (you need to comapre against CCC) as Haven (like many commercials) offer far more than CC's std pitch and a loo/shower.. [/quote]
Yet comparison with overseas sites is legitimate?
I'll never understand these unwritten rules that apply on CT 'discussions'. Good job I'm not stopping
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The problem with the Club pricing is it does cost them revenue, even when sites are full. At one stage there were 5 of us in our van, and of the 3 kids, 2 counted as adult. So 4x adult, 1x child, in summer season could be getting on for £50 on Club sites. That's unreasonable, I wouldn't pay that, so the consequence was we either went to CL/CSs, went overseas, or just didn't bother.
Now, you can argue that if the CC sites are full, then the pricing is right & they're not losing revenue. They are, though...the site demographic will lean towards those who benefit from that pricing structure, i.e. it encourages singletons & couples, meaning their yield/pitch is ultimately lower than it would have been if they'd just had more family-friendly rates.
I was a singleton at one stage, and I wouldn't argue that rates for singles should be increased significantly, but at the time I thought the CC structure wrong as I was paying far less on a Club site than I would on a CL, for example. My proposal would be;
- raise the pitch fee slightly (only £1 or £2),
- have a "per person" fee that applies only to the first two adults; after that have a lower "per person" fee.
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My point, BB was that families can't take advantage of those "subsidised" deals. They also don't have to pay £62 (Haven prices, apparently) a night to stay on a CC site. Now that's what I call a high price!
Edit - just checked Treamble Valley which is same area as Perran Sands - pitch, 2 adults and 2 children is £30.30 a night in peak, so less than half Haven's price!
Whatever the fractions.....both prices are way too high....
i wouldnt pay anywhere near £30 for a pitch, anywhere, anytime.
i cant help the fact that im retired and others, who arent, cant take advantage of the same deals, however, it doesnt stop me feeling that £30 (let alone £62) is too expensive.
however, you havent really compared like with like (you need to comapre against CCC) as Haven (like many commercials) offer far more than CC's std pitch and a loo/shower....
haven (and Sandy Balls as mentioned in your other 'comparison') offers swimming pool(s) retaurants, bars, entertainment etc etc..and (i guess) this is part of the attraction for the guests who choose this type of site over a CC one at a cheaper price....its a choice they make...
...As does Hillhead only cheaper also Seacroft
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My proposal would be;
- raise the pitch fee slightly (only £1 or £2),
- have a "per person" fee that applies only to the first two adults; after that have a lower "per person" fee.
Seems reasonable to me, but just wait for all the complaints from (some) retired couples looking for cheaper prices, not more expensive ones, D!
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When I started this discussion, I was focusing on the pricing structure, rather than the final price. Clearly, the Club will need to maintain its revenue one way or another but, if the fees reflect costs, it seems that the per capita bit is skewed.
As Discovery4 points out, above, some families will be dissuaded from stopping at a site if there is a cheaper alternative. Those pitches are likely to be taken by couples rather than families, and the Club will miss out by losing the extra per capita fees.
The Club is looking for ways to encourage younger members, so maybe adjusting the per capita rate is one place to look.
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When I started this discussion, I was focusing on the pricing structure, rather than the final price. Clearly, the Club will need to maintain its revenue one way or another but, if the fees reflect costs, it seems that the per capita bit is skewed.
As Discovery4 points out, above, some families will be dissuaded from stopping at a site if there is a cheaper alternative. Those pitches are likely to be taken by couples rather than families, and the Club will miss out by losing the extra per capita fees.
The Club is looking for ways to encourage younger members, so maybe adjusting the per capita rate is one place to look.
This crops up on the two or three big Facebook groups quite a lot. These groups tend to have a much higher proportion of families than CT or other forums.
The clear preference is for a pitch fee rather than a pitch fee and a per capita fee. Sites which offer this approach are extremely popular.
From my own point of view I'd like this but it does not favour couples who are without question the Club's core membership
It's the overall price per night that is important
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I think some of the problem is down to expectation rather than specifics of pricing. The expectation of going to a CC or other high quality site. When we were holidaying as a family it was in tents and the sites we went to were at the cheaper end of the
spectrum. In other words we had to adjust our expectations. If we spent a week at a high priced all singing and dancing site it would reduce what we had to spend on meals out etc. The CC needs to charge prices that reflect its costs and the need to invest
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I must have different expections of what I might get for £25+ a night, I am afraid that however pristine the grounds are, paying this for a water supply, power and a shower block does not equate to "high quality"
Fair enough, but an awful lot of people, including us, do think they are high quality. You might think the price high, but does that mean the facilities are not high quality?
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Steve, do you think the toilets blocks are high quality? I'll accept they are clean but "high quality", never in a million years!
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I must have different expections of what I might get for £25+ a night, I am afraid that however pristine the grounds are, paying this for a water supply, power and a shower block does not equate to "high quality"
Fair enough, but an awful lot of people, including us, do think they are high quality. You might think the price high, but does that mean the facilities are not high quality?
Totally agree with the quality especially the last 4 CC sites we've stayed on - this said we are fortunate to usually be able to take advantage of the 'reduced' non-weekend rates on selected sites, making even better value
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OMG! Now we're getting into a "their showers are better than ours" debate.
Look at the end of the day, if you don't think CC "facilities"are good enough, if you don't think their prices are good value, etc etc the choice is simple - use an alternative you consider superior! There's little to be gained from whinging on here, other than putting folk's backs up.
Sorry to be blunt, just the way I feel after the way a couple of threads have gone!
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Moulesy, calm down, calm down!
CC toilet blocks are clean and perfectly acceptable.
If you want to see "high quality washrooms", you need to visit any of the 4 star hotels in places such as Sharm El Sheik - immaculate tiling and fittings, very clean all day long and they cater for far greater footfall than a CC facilities block.
I know that many on here are blinkered but let's not carried away with what the Club provide. If you say they are the equal of almost all other sites in the UK you may have a point but "high quality" - No
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What exactly is a "high quality" toilet block like? We are discussing campsites here surely? You cannot compare campsite facilities to hotels!!
I remember the first time we went to Longleat, must have been about 15 years back, the facilities looked pretty new.
OH came back from inspecting the block and declared it to be the best she had ever seen, quite a lot of them are now of a similar quality.
I can tell you, OH is particular when it comes to toilets and showers. We have been touring home and abroad off and on since 1972, and since 1998 have been touring every year. Since 2007 spending 3-4 months away each year.
There are plenty of sites in many countries with high quality facilities, plenty that are good, and unfortunately also many that leave much to be desired.
I would say that we have never been on a CC site that fell into the latter category. We have found a few where the facilities were in need of updating, mainly older or more remote sites, but the majority recently have all been very good or even excellent.
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Moulesy, calm down, calm down!
CC toilet blocks are clean and perfectly acceptable.
If you want to see "high quality washrooms", you need to visit any of the 4 star hotels in places such as Sharm El Sheik - immaculate tiling and fittings, very clean all day long and they cater for far greater footfall than a CC facilities block.
I know that many on here are blinkered but let's not carried away with what the Club provide. If you say they are the equal of almost all other sites in the UK you may have a point but "high quality" - No
The mind boggles ! Lets compare a CC site toilet block with the facilities of a luxury expensive resort in a foreign country with an endless supply of cheap labour !
Next someone will tell me that I'd get better economy than my 3 ltr Hilux Invincible if I towed with a Fiat 500
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Never been to Sharm el Sheik, but I certainly know campsites with toilet blocks that are better than those on CC sites - some with private bathrooms, some with private baby and child facilities, some with marble tiles, some with day round cleaners who seem
to live in, some with spacious shower cubicles with room to change in comfort, some with shower gel and toiletries on hand, some with hair driers in each cubicle, some with under floor heating, some where you change your shoes before you go in, some with heated
drying rooms for wet outdoor clothing, some with a sauna or two. And they tell me that some even have facilities for washing dogs.I think some people have blind loyalty to this Club.
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Moulesy, calm down, calm down!
CC toilet blocks are clean and perfectly acceptable.
If you want to see "high quality washrooms", you need to visit any of the 4 star hotels in places such as Sharm El Sheik - immaculate tiling and fittings, very clean all day long and they cater for far greater footfall than a CC facilities block.
With the greatest of respect, WG, I'm perfectly calm and happy with what the CC offers.But I have to say that comparison you've just made is I think one of the sillier comments on the thread. Out of interest, including transport and accommodation, how much would you have paid for that hotel per night? (I'd wager a bit more than £30!)
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I prefer my toilet blocks sans terrorists
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Well, since I don't think that any amount of debate on here will lead to the CC fitting gold plated taps and providing complimentary toiletries and massage facilities in its facilities whilst obviously charging under a tenner a night, I think it's time to
leave the thread to the fantasists!
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