Is using low wattage tube heater worth while?

PennysOwner
PennysOwner Forum Participant Posts: 7
edited December 2023 in Caravans #1

My caravan has full cover during winter. inside temperature hit 2 degrees. Would a low wattage greenhouse heater insure against frost damaged. Caravan water system is drained. Also would it help prevent damp.

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  • eribaMotters
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    edited December 2023 #2

     You share my consideration about winter lay up, the very cold temperatures and possible damage to water systems. Until last year I have been fortunate enough to garage store my van at home, but last year was a first under cover and outside temperatures down to -10c.I was worried, despite a full drain down of anything with water in it. 

    The heaters you mention are usually very low wattage, I think typically 60 watts.

    I know 500 watts in our caravan makes for a very comfortable autumn evening, but when it hits -6c outside as it did a couple of nights ago this would have made no difference. 60 watts would do noting, unless you could place one next to every tap, heater and joint in the system, which would obviously be impractical.

    In the event that you did use a heater in the van then this would likely have a negative effect on damp levels as warmer air carries more moisture than cold air.

    Colin

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited December 2023 #3

    Bear in mind that your caravan has several essential vents so you could be wasting heat. You could also possibly encourage mould depending on temperature and conditions. 

  • DaveCyn
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    edited December 2023 #4

    I use one on a timer in the shed to prevent water pipes freezing up.

    In the caravan NO!

    Like thousands of others our van is in storage with no access to EHU. 

    Battery off and brought home and trickle charged once a month.

    Water systems drained down

    Make sure the vents are clear and keep a few bowls of salt scattered around which we change every month or so. 

    Jobs a good one.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited December 2023 #5

    Why do you put out bowls of salt? Yes, I know it absorbs moisture but, in view of the vents in your van, you are constantly soaking up moisture from the big outdoors and that’s why you need to change them every month. I recommend saving your money.

  • JollyKernow
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    edited December 2023 #6

    Having a full cover on your van and then having additional heating would to me encourage condensation which would more likely increase the risk of damp in my opinion. If you've drained down fully your van is just a tin box. I just removed all upholstery and opened all cupboard doors then on a nice day open all windows and rooflights for a blow through.

    Regarding tube heaters, in my old Conquerer with dodgy blown air heating, while on site for long periods I had a tube under each sofa and one under the bed which made a big difference on cold mornings. 

    Make sure that cover is well secured, I've seen a few vans in our storage damaged by loose fitting covers.

    JK

  • JollyKernow
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    edited December 2023 #7

    I use trays of salt in the RV TW, no drop down vents at all as RV's have an electric LPG alarm instead so wet salt always means a problemundecided

    JK

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited December 2023 #8

    Yours is a slightly different case, JK.

    Most caravans/MHs also have wall vents where the fridges and microwaves are placed as well as gas vents. 

  • JollyKernow
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    edited December 2023 #9

    You're not wrong about fridges TW. I had to take the fridge out of my PVC and reinstall with the correct fittings as there was a serious draft at the top. When running on gas the CO alarm always went off. Could've been tragic. I'd only had the van 6 months but I did it myself as I really didn't trust the supplying dealer to sort it properly due to shoddy work previously.

    Unfortunately that dealer had a fire at their East Sussex depot yesterday.

    JK

     

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited December 2023 #10

    Similar problems here, JK. Same dealer but different branch.

  • mickysf
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    edited December 2023 #11

    Warm air absorbs more moisture. Thing is if the equilibrium between humidity inside and outside the van will pretty much be aintaied despite what you do. What you can do though is limit water being absorbed and then stored in those materials inside the van itself. Good air circulation is key, not warmth.

  • Lutz
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    edited December 2023 #12

    So long as the plumbing has been drained I can*t see the point of heating the caravan while it's in storage. Perhaps someone will enlighten me.

    I've had my caravans out in the open for over 30 years and even when the temperature has dropped to -15° on isolated occasions I only had a problem once because I had forgotten to drain the boiler.

  • mickysf
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    edited December 2023 #13

    I’d recommend that if you have a toilet flush system which uses the onboard tank that folk make sure the toilet pump is completely empty when draining down. Just flush till it runs empty.

  • Tammygirl
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    edited December 2023 #14

    In 40+ years of owning LVs we have never put heating on over winter. If you follow the correct procedures of preparing the vehicle for winter you should not encounter any problems.

    We currently live in Scotland and previous to that in northern Germany where winter temps can drop to -15c at nights. here in Scotland where we live -10c is common place. Our vehicles sit outside the house so it would be easy to have heating on but its just not needed. 

    Like others if its a nice day we go and open up the skylights and windows or door and give the van a good airing. we don't remove the cushions but we do pull them away from the vehicles walls. we do drain down and leave taps open as is the toilet blade left open. we remove all food and especially tins. We do check the water pump filter to make sure there is no water in it as that can freeze up.

  • heddlo
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    edited December 2023 #15

    We no longer have a caravan but in all the years we had one we never heated the inside whilst in storage.  We also had a full cover which worked very well.  We removed internal cushions over winter and thoroughly drained down all the water and toilet system.  We never had a problem with mould or damp so I don’t see the point of heating (however small) the inside.  As others have said, we did like to give a change of air on a nice day occasionally.  

  • TomL
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    edited December 2023 #16

    Whilst not related to heating and the original question, if it's considered essential to keep a movement of air, is it worth using covers for the refrigerator vents during winter?

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited December 2023 #17

    In my opinion, yes, as they help keep snow, rain, dirt, vermin and insects out. There are plenty of other vents in a caravan to provide air flow. However, follow the fridge manufacturer’s guidance as some say the covers should also be used when the fridge is in use below certain temperatures.

  • mickysf
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    edited December 2023 #18

    Thanks Tom, you’ve just reminded me to put mine on. Daft as it sounds caravan fridges’ cooling systems can be adversely effected by very cold ambients air temperatures which can inhibit both their functionality and efficiency.

  • eribaMotters
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    edited December 2023 #19

    The same problem of cooling at low outside temperatures also applies to our domestic/home fridges and freezers. If you have the spare one in the garage it will not run correctly if your garage gets to cold. You have to consider the climate class/rating:-

    https://procoolmfg.com/refrigerator-climate-class-sn-n-st-t/

     

    Colin