Gas bottles
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I notice there seems to be an abundance of "patio gas" in various sizes. The tanks look bulkier than what vanners use because of the handles on them, but surely it is the same LPG and space permitting could be used in owners vans instead of the standard red 6Kgm or 4.5Kgm bottles?
peedee
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B&Q do a 6kg Flogas metal propane cylinder - around £80 and £35 for a refill/exchange. I believe they also still do Gaslight (formerly BP) 5kg and 10kg in the lightweight, transparent, bottle. Both Propane.
My previous Motorhome had a 20 litre LPG tank and the Safefill is 14.5 litres which is more than enough for my needs.0 -
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I have had a safefill for 8 years, saved ££££, but in 2 years it needs to be recertified, 2 years ago I spoke to Neil at safefill, he said that the price of recertified + price of carriage would be more tan a new bottle, that is different to what I was told when I bought the bottle.
If you look at the sticky list of where you can fill safefill their are loads on the list where lpg pump has being removed, and even more where no longer allowing safefill.
so is it worth buying another bottle in 2 years time
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Does it have to be SafeFill that re-certifies? I have BosGas local to me in Wigan. Maybe they could do it? Sounds like the cost of carriage is the killer.
What happens if you do not re-certify? Nothing I imagine save that you are at risk. I am sure my insurers would not take kindly to damage from an explosion or fire!!
I bought new a couple of weeks ago so I have all but 10 years before I have a problem. I did ask about an used bottle in an auction on Ebay. The owner had not a clue what I was talking about regarding expiry date of the cylinder. Needless to say I did not bid! Another auction for a 2 year old bottle went for £190 with collection on the Wirrall. I paid just £195 including delivery to my home so zero point in bidding in that auction either!!
Chris
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Only you can make the decision. Doing the maths is fairly simple but considering the convenience of a refillable versus an exchangeable I would find more challenging. That said I can't imagine being without our Gaslows and the money we save by getting cheaper gas.
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"If you look at the sticky list of where you can fill safefill their are loads on the list where lpg pump has being removed, and even more where no longer allowing safefill."
My local Morrisons PFS does LPG and I believe most Morrisons do.
I filled my bottle there this morning. Being a newbie I was very grateful for assistance from the MoHo owner on the other side of the pump who showed me how everything worked. I was struggling as the instructions on the pump were not clear.
70p per litre was the pump price. A bargain!
Chris
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I have just read a thread by someone saying their safefill had split, twice my safefill has overfilled, 7.5 kg. gas + 4.1 kg. for the bottle =11.6 kg. my scales usually weigh 12.0 kg.
yesterday when I come home it is weighing 14.00 kg. so it looks like I have 9.5 kg. in a 7.5 kg. bottle, so I don't doubt someone having a split bottle
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Can I return to this thread.
I now have two SafeFill 11KG bottles the first bought brand new and, as instructed only filled to 15 litres on a first fill. The 2nd is a nearly new bottle where I was the winning bidder on an Ebay auction. When collected it appears to be over half full with gas.
It follows that I have yet to need to refill either.
My question: When I visit Morrisons to refill how will I know when the bottle is full? Does it blow off so that there is a clear audible signal?
If I wait until the bottle is completely empty things are relatively easy. I just put in 19 litres then I know it is full. But if it just getting low that is when my query will arise.
Chris
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I've had a couple of Safefill bottles for 2/3 years and have never filled them myself!! Fortunately, our 'local' camping shop (Jacksons of Arley) have LPG and they do it for you.... 🙂 I don't have my bottles handy, but don't they have a circulat card on the top of the bottles, with the instructions.. or have I mistaken this for something else...
David
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Neither the yellow label on top of the cylinder nor SafeFill's pdf gives such detail. I now have this from another site:
"They did say when filling listen to the pump, when you start it should pump quickly then when it is nearly full the pump will slow down and should shut off almost immediately. If it does not shut off within a few seconds then let go of the fill button. ....."
Chris
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Morrisons fuel stations are now under separate ownership and say that re filling gas cylinders is no longer allowed.
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But they say filling directly into the vehicle is OK. Whether they mean into fixed systems and tanks or into the vehicle to fuel the engine is not clear. Time will tell.
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Glad I don’t need to fill up imminently as we usually use Morrisons. We have a Gaslow system but the safety bulletin does say that staff should only authorise the pump if the customer is filling their vehicle and further must be vigilant to ensure that no gas cylinders are filled on the forecourt. As my MH would be parked on the forecourt and I am filling cylinders through an external connection, I think there is a fair chance we could also be banned. If they do, given how much use they get from MH’s they will probably end up getting removed for lack of use. There are others reasonably local but removing Morrisons would take out a significant number.☹️
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Morrisons has no problems fuelling into a vehicle tank. One of our Jeep’s is dual petrol/ LPG, and has the same vehicle fill point as some onboard LPG tanks. It’s the cylinder filling that’s not allowed.
Photos of our Jeep filling points, petrol top, LPG lower, second photo is LPG fill up with cap removed and where you attach the LPG hose.
LPG fill point, cap removed. Hose screws or clips into here to seal depending upon hose fitting used.
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The filler for our MH Gaslow system is exactly the same @Takethedogalong However I would imagine as ours is located in the gas locker door on our MH they are unlikely to think we are filling our vehicle, as their guidance states. It really depends on how rigorously they interpret them. It may well vary from station to station. We filled up about 4 weeks ago at Morrisons and had no issues, however I think this bulletin is fairly recent.
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I wondered if that was your fill up type @SteveL To me it all seems very similar to our Jeep in terms of the sealed connection, but I wonder of it is the cyclinders that are the issue, even if inside the locker? Does the gas flow slow down then stop when full, or do you have to monitor? Ours is a purpose underslung LPG tank, not the removable cyclinders. (We do have to remember it’s there if we go off road mind, but that’s another story…..🥴😱🤣) It stops automatically when deemed “full”.
To me, “cylinder on the forecourt” would mean something taken out of the vehicle and filled separately, bit like a plastic petrol/diesel carrier, not a plumbed in system, but it does sound a bit ambiguous. Hope it works in your favour.
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@Takethedogalong Although it’s cylinders it does automatically cut of the flow when they reach 80%. I just have to hold the button in until that happens. However, that is also the case for safefill. Therefore apart from the fact that mine is behind a closed door and I’m not going to perhaps drop it when I put it back in the vehicle, there is little difference.
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Thanks @SteveL
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