Club AGM 2022
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I wrote a long response to this, but I decided not to post it. I don't really like the confrontation that tends to develop in this place - not that I mean you were confrontational, just that it gets that way with some people. I don't want to be part of that. I'll keep my powder dry.
I still remain of the view that it is natural to defend. I do expect the Club to give answers which are largely justifying their policy and, hence, defensive. The alternative is to cave in.
But I'll leave it at that.
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There may be many more MH (members and non members) who don't think the club is MH orientated and, therefore don't use their sites.
who knows.
my opinion, for the reasons I've stated, concur with PeeDee...the club isnt MH orientated.
unfortunately, you don't visit the places where 'being MH orientated' is a given.
Perhaps if you drove a MH you'd have a clearer view of the points being raised.
either way, it matters not....we don't use Club Sites now, for many reasons, the above subject is just one of those deciding factors.
Back on topic, the Club's response to pretty well all the AGM questions did seem 'defensive' to me and I support David Klyne's observation posted earlier and PeeDees follow up.
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Ok good to know and discuss Chris.
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It's funny that when the club, or indeed other posters, posts answers or replies that people don't agree with they are seen as defensive when really they are justifying their point and should be entitled to do so without that label.
The club sells a product (insert whatever you think it is) and it has decided to do certain things with that product as they are entitled to do. The club in it's answers were saying why they had done so. All we can do is buy it or walk away. I thought the answers this year with multiple questions and detailed answers were far better than in previous years even though I did not agree with some of them.
I don't like the new booking system but I do like club sites so really that's it for me.
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the issue of MHSP is a case in point....caravaners seem to think that these mean the club has gone out of its way for MHs...yet the poor design and generally worse location of these make them difficult and sometimes embarrassing to use, obstructive at time
Including the MHSP at the new multi million pound investment at Cayton Village...which by the way was virtually empty this week...word could have got around regarding the massive housing estate being built right upto the hedge line...
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unlike sites in other places, CAMC MHSPs are add ins to Caravan Sites...and as such, have be dumped into vacant spaces without any thought as to how they are fleeing to be used...it even took years to actually get one of these with a drain across the MHSP to line up with all waste outlet designs. Yet, further, these could/should have been designed with the drain at a low point meaning there was not a requirement for 'exact' placement of the van, therefore vastly speeding up the dumping process. Anyone visiting Europe and pretty much ANY aire or campsite would have understood how they work.
and, of course...as PeeDee mentions, use of services for those who are paid up members and will be staying overnight at other legal stopping points where, perhaps there won't be those services available.
What I find difficult to understand YT, is why having written the first paragraph above, you still thought the second a good idea. Given the problems of using them, surely the last thing that is wanted is more folk who are not onsite getting in the way.
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There were two large drive over motor caravan service points at cayton village when we were there last year
The closeness of large club sites in that area of Yorks is expected at this time of year to have many empty pitches with numerous other site providers in.the area
It is like the South west out of the.main holiday period
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Steve, I can see your point...unfortunately the MHSP are what we were given... they are poor, have been installed seemingly without any of that team having a clue as the what each should be achieving and, secondly which siting would best achieve it.
poor design or not (and hopefully someone WILL eventually go to Europe and check out how to do it...) it's the principle of the Club response that PeeDee was highlighting and I was seconding that point.
Taking you point to the extreme, perhaps the MHSP are so bad and so poorly sited that all MH should be banned from using them...
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Many sites are not owned by this club but are leased and M/C service points were installed many years ago on site before the explosion in their ownership
Quite a few few leases are now quite short and to move or install the later type of drive over service points is quite an investment so if in a short lease that nay not be renewing is questionable when some sites site in very valuable building land
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I would suggest that many MHs you see on Club Sites tend to be used much as Caravans are, park up and then they might not roll a wheel for a week or so. Many belong to Club Members who have made the swop to an MH for whatever reason, but still like to pitch up and stay. Nothing wrong with it as well. But some of the drive over waste points are direly sited. YRP is a fiasco from 10am onwards with lots having to drive around the site to empty up near the back gate. Barnard Castle, we had to drive out the barrier and back in again to use the one there.
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Of course you saying they are poor and they actually being poor are not necessarily the same thing?
The ones I used (as a passenger) recently in Italy looked the same as the ones on club sites to my untrained eye of course.
btw is it just club sites that have 'poor' design on MHSP or are there sites in UK where it's done better? Your oft recommended Concierge Camping site for example that the club should aim to be?
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As with Silver Screens, I'll treat you as a non expert in this area👎
a good MHSP is a good one where ever in the world it is sited.
I haven't 'recommended Consierge Camping for many a year...it's a fabulous site, with facilities blocks the club could only dream of, but since the prices went through the roof, we haven't been there.I use a site in Oxfordshire regularly which has much space and the MHSP is, in effect, a separate pitch (close to the exit) where a MH can park up out of anyones way and empty their waste into an are as DD describes, with the drain in the low point making positioning far less critical.
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Fair enough and I could say the same about your use of club sites now, but why not just answer the question?
btw is it just club sites that have 'poor' design on MHSP or are there sites in UK where it's done better? Your oft recommended Concierge Camping site for example that the club should aim to be?
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Well you're in luck then as the newer ones I've noticed on club sites I've used are just like that, out of the way, sloping downwards to the grate and larger than any MH I've seen.
Of course if you used club sites recently you would have noticed so I can forgive the fact you don't know. I'll take some photos next time.
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I don't accept that the open grill grey waste disposal points on Club sites are poor. In the majority of sites that I have used they are perfectly suited to my needs. I have found the odd one poorly positioned as I have had to pull in and reverse back in order to be over the grill rather than drive over. But even then it takes seconds out of my life!
Going back to the purpose of this thread which was about the AGM and the answers received. I still maintain that when the question was asked about provision of emptying facilities for non stayers the answer was at best flippant and at worst most unhelpful. When senior members of the Club answer questions at the AGM, which of course is official business, we should expect those question to be answered in a serious manner. I am not advocating that such provision be provided just saying that anyone asking about such provision should be treated respectfully with a proper answer.
David
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On the subject of MHSPs, the old ones that needed the back breaking covers lifting were appalling. The new ones are absolutely fine although the location isn’t always ideal. I guess there are reasons why the new points were placed in the position of the old ones. 🤷🏻♂️
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I would say they are OK rather than absolutely fine. They are much better than the back breaking covers, however they are often positioned on slopes and do require accuracy to avoid contents flowing elsewhere. Unfortunately not all can be bothered to be accurate.
As to other site providers in the UK, some are much better, some are worse. At C&CC Poolewe I used my 23 litre Fiamma roll tank, bought for Altnaharra, as the disposal would have required messing about with hose extensions to use.
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If there’s any difficulty, I just unclip our waste drain hose from under the sill and drop the nozzle of the tap through the bars of the grid.
Altnaharra - there’s a challenge 😄
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Unless it's changed recently, there is no MHSP and the only general use service point is on top of a mound only accessible on foot.
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Cornersteady enquired whether C& CC was more MH friendly than CAMC. Provision of drive-over waste dump is about equal from what I've seen. However, based on the fact that they allow "splash & dash" and a choice of non-EHU or EHU then I would say C&CC is the place for motorhomers.
Complaints that motorhome oriented facilities are not suitable for "all" members seem spurious. Not "all" members require playgrounds/ dog walks. That is not seen as discriminatory.
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Thanks for the reply CY. Fair enough, though I wonder how many MH don't take up EHU?
Just to be clear I didn't make any reference or complaint as to your last paragraph:
Complaints that motorhome oriented facilities are not suitable for "all" members seem spurious. Not "all" members require playgrounds/ dog walks. That is not seen as discriminatory
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But, but, but……the C&CC non-EHU pitches are all on grass as far as I’m aware and we hear most MH-ers prefer HS so I’m not sure that makes C&CC much more MH friendly.
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It hasn’t changed. Water, waste and CDP is by that sign on top the mound. Wonderful site though.
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Fabulous place and worth carrying a bucket for 😀
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