Club AGM 2022
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Of course they're not involved in the day to day running of the club as that's what the employed people do. Think of it in terms of elected government and employed civil servants. One makes the policies, the other puts them into practice but, ultimately, the policy makers are responsible.
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Didn’t need a voter I’d number, just memb number. I think there are two ways of voting.
As for whether one should vote against the exec com nominations, they have an overall responsibility for the Club. They should be aware how bad things are. They could have made some sort of statement. They could have ensured the paid staff made appropriate statements. None of this has happened. They do not have my confidence. So I voted against the lot. I did vote for the last (?) resolution to formally incorporate the facility for remote meetings.
We still seem to be waiting for information about joining the AGM remotely. They have said this will happen. From memory there is a limited number of “places” so need to register fairly quickly.
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Yes, they are volunteers...but as you say they set policy, largely from members feedback and as such....as a collective could simply resign en mass unless new management was put in place...that should set the alarm bells ringing...
Aside...any bets being offered the DG or any of his team will attend the club day at the NEC next week ?
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I think we have witnessed at first hand incompetency on many levels and it has revealed itself to a massive extent in recent months. It's a sad and bad time at present.
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Whether you are a paid employee, a remunerated volunteer or an unpaid volunteer it is my contention that you must take the same responsibility for your actions or inactions. I volunteer for two organisations; both unpaid positions. In one I can on occasions be making life or death decisions for others. I accept that responsibility and the consequences even though I don't have hands on control of the situations.
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It matters not. The buck stops with the Exec Committee. They are the 'government'.
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I think the tail might be wagging the dog to a certain extent, that’s why clearer information on decision making, what, why, how, when is needed at Member level. Information and communication is the key, and that key has gone missing if you ask me.
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In terms of submitting a question…..be aware you have a very limited number of words allowed, so needs considering carefully. Hard to get much in without it sounding very blunt.
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I watched the AGM today.
Questions for those who also watched/attended.
The finance chappie spent some time talking about Laybye User Groups. I assume it was some sort of joke?? What was it's purpose?
Can anyone tell me how they make decisions on eg the elections incorporating all the proxy votes? The results were what I expected, but the Chair seemed to imply there was no opposition but some of the proxy votes were definitely "oppose" votes.
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I didn't watch it but maybe the layby users wasn't a joke? There have been a few posts/threads about using them so as not to arrive before 1pm, and I think that the club did say find somewhere to park up if you were going to arrive early?
Perhaps the club is mapping these out near to some/all sites? Sounds a bit proactive but who knows?
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I didn't get the lay by user group thing either. I thought it was quite embarrasing, to be honest.
The chairman did say that all votes had been counted, so he knew the result already. He's required to throw it out to the floor in case anyone has attended with the purpose of protesting, which clearly they hadn't.
I didn't really know what to expect, but it all seemed a bit hammy,
The information given was worth it though, and the club seems to be in good health
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Nick Lomas said launch didn’t go as expected. Nearest we got to an apology. But it is all going to be fine.
The Chair gave CLs a good write up, lots of potential new ones in the pipeline. But then Nick Lomas didn’t make any reference, as far as I remember, about not being able to easily find the info you need about individual CLs.
interestingly, given their concerns about increased costs, there was no mention of the rumoured trialing of electricity metereing. Maybe it will just happen?!
Oh, 2022 will be a good year but 2023 will be a bad year.
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HJA said:- Oh, 2022 will be a good year but 2023 will be a bad year.
Did they qualify that in anyway? From what was said about people using the new booking system it seems as if it's all going swimmingly but to suggest that 2023 could be difficult seems to suggest the opposite? We all know that everyone's financial expectations for 2023 is not likely to be positive but I am just trying to work out if the downturn in 2023 is due to members personal circumstances or the new booking system?
David
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I watched it and thought the Treasurers address was a bit odd. Surely it had to be some kind of joke? If it was, it was hard to grasp. My thoughts were, was he referring to motorhome owners who use laybys as overnight stops? Did FLUG refer to Free Loaders User Group? The meeting was recorded so perhaps there will be an opportunity to watch it again?
David, it is hard to see that deposits will make a difference to occupancy after all not many sites are deposit free plus those that are, are not that easy to find. I think the main reason the Club will struggle is the cost of pitches coupled with the rise in the cost of living reducing members disposable income and the ability to pay. The end of staycations will also be a contributary factor. I know I am planning a trip over there next year for the first time since 2018 and I doubt I am the only one.
What was disappointing was nothing about trying to reduce operating cost and the Chair did bang on about new developments but not a word about site closures. I see Marazion is definitely going to close. What a great shame, I for one will remember it fondly.
peedee
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I have attended a number of AGMs in person in the past. The Treasurer loves telling a shaggy dog story and thinks he is rather good at it. Personally I'd rather he just got on with his job. On the other hand it does inject a small amount of feint humour (for those who 'get' it) into a tedious affair of back-slapping.
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However the point about deposits is that it is the same everywhere now so members who previously might not have looked at commercial sites may be more prepared to do so in future? Some won't like the idea of paying fully upfront a month ahead but putting that aside there is less incentive to remain loyal to the Club? Earlier in the year we stayed at a site called Ladys MIles in Dawlish, we had a large serviced pitch, the site had all the facilities and more, compared to our most recent stay at Seacroft and the pitch in early July was £5 a night cheaper than Seacroft in October!
Of course people will be more willing to travel abroad as restrictions seem to have been lift and lets face it the Schengen rules won't impact on the majority of those that go to Europe as they won't be there long enough. Having said that the Club said they had about 2500 overseas bookings compared to, what was it 300,000 UK ones so even if the number of people going overseas doubled in 2023 it doesn't make a particularly large impact on UK numbers?
I don't think the Club have come to terms with the advent of "Van Lifers" or those who wish to enjoy a more ad hoc style of camping, perhaps a night here or a night there even if that means paying for an overnight car park. It's a style of camping that the Club finds difficult to accommodate so I assume they resort to joking about it?
David
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ISTM that 2023 could be the perfect storm. Difficulties with the new booking system, deposits- (coming as a surprise for some), escalating energy costs, members with less disposable income. Uncompetitive pricing compared with similarly specced sites. We ain't seen nuthin' yet.
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I was about town on Saturday evening visiting a restaurant area to have a meal out and it was noticeable how few people were doing the same. I don't think it will be just the C&MC that will see a downturn.
I thought the Treasurer did allude to why he expected 2023 to be more difficult. I do remember hearing him talk about there being a decrease in staycations. He certainly did not say the booking system would be a factor.
peedee
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I would not expect any one at the top table at the AGM to put any blame publicly on anything that this club does
The DG just glossed over the problems with the booking system debacle
I doubt there are thirty LVs on here today and this is now the only part of the site open
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I do not think it will be deposits that will be a surprise as the vocal few have been singing the praises of such a system for ages
What is going to hit is what can and will happen to them if wanting to amend a booking or need as many of the demographic (as alluded to by some)of the age of this clubs membership and medical appointments and assistance that is often needed
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until I saw this thread about the AGM.
