Towing with an EV - trip report

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  • nelliethehooker
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    edited February 2022 #152

    So what happens when, like this week, a storm causes all electric power to be cut off to the service station you had identified as a recharging point en route? Do you just park up and wait for it to be reattached, which could be days!?

  • brue
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    edited February 2022 #153

    Nellie, I think all vehicle owners woud be stuck if fuel stations of any type had a power cut? smile

  • Boff
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    edited February 2022 #154

    I believe that you are mistaken wink

     

  • JohnM20
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    edited February 2022 #155

    Having watched the video that David linked us to I can't say I'm any more pro electric cars at the moment. The figures obtained in the trials were certainly not impressive and that was on a test track. I wonder what the figures would be for 'real life' driving ? Far worse is my guess.

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    edited February 2022 #156
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  • JVB66
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    edited February 2022 #157

    When the club did a trial of electric /hibrid vehicles towing very small caravans from Bures country park site to Cayton village club site, it involved an overnight stop at Beechwood Grange site ,which shows quite a bit of range worries,

    As an asiide ,the last time we were visiting Harrogate some of their Buses, were electric ,,when I asked one of the drivers if they were good, she said it would not work if we did not have extra buses that were on charge to change over , the service would have to be reduced

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2022 #158

    I do not think you have considered the millions of terraced properties and blocks of flats that are in this country that do not have access to park or charge anywhere near their properties surprised

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited February 2022 #159

    That’s thought provoking🤔-massive power outage thru storm damage, no network power-emergency vehicles?, evacuation on a big scale?, power company workers getting to damaged areas to effect repairs?. . .That’s just a few issues🤷🏻‍♂️
    Cynically. . .I believe the world of EV will be just for the minions tbh, the infrastructure workers will access Fossil Fuel transport for many years, the armed forces & Govt ministers too, in fact all our leaders will be exempt. . .Yup it’s beginning to make sense.

  • brue
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    edited February 2022 #160

    Fossil fuels require power too.

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2022 #161

    It is time that all the emergency services, went back to the days when they had there own fuel supplies at their main depots where all the vehicles needed were kept instead of "saving? money by the staff keeping vehicles at home and closing their yards, and relying on fuel cards

  • allanandjean
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    edited February 2022 #162

    Well, maybe that is a fact, but what about those that can’t?

    We live in a rural area and for many they may be able to park their car, on a public road with no restrictions, but can’t charge it there?

    What about the 280 blocks of flats, of just one housing provider in Cornwall, that don’t have parking?

    If EV ownership is something forced on me I could probably cope, logistically and financially, but for many people one, or both, of theses issues will mean an EV is not an option, no matter how many boxes it ticks.

  • Boff
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    edited February 2022 #163

     

    No I simply refuted your previous comment

    “I think you will find the majority cannot park or charge at home at home” 

    Because it is factually incorrect.   Then of course you predictably shoot down the rabbit hole of “whataboutism”.

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  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited February 2022 #165

    They’re also held in humungous tanks ready & on demand. They(humungous tanks) also have gravity on their side so no power needed to pump. I’ve not known of any shortage of Fossil fuel over time due to storm damage🤷🏻‍♂️

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited February 2022 #166

    I see this electrication of our lives being on a them & us basis. The minions will be forced to take up EV world but all the blue light services will be allowed both options, the armed forces too. The MP’s & govt bods generally will do whatever they want to. Possibly-EV with a fuelled up getaway vehicle in case of problems full of fossil fuel. Hybrids 1st would be the best of both worlds. I’m back on the fence now with plans to buy a FF vehicle just before we switch to Epower. Unless a lot changes👍🏻

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  • JVB66
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    edited February 2022 #168

    You are so off the mark with your facts,? as all I did was correct your post to be more correct

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2022 #169

    All our emergency services seem to use supermarket fuel stations ,not sure if they have seperate fuel cards  ? 

  • Boff
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    edited February 2022 #170

    You really can’t stop digging can you?

     

     

     

     

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2022 #171

    Its your hole that is getting deeper

  • SteveL
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    edited February 2022 #172

    For a few years we had four cars at our property. All could be got off the road (fourth one at a push) However, wether all four could have been charged overnight, as all were required every day, I have no idea. Given the number of properties with multiple cars the electrical infrastructure into our estate would probably require substantially upgrading 

  • Bakers2
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    edited February 2022 #173

    I was startled to pull onto the forecourt to find an ambulance. Luckily it was only there to fill up BUT my mind was processing all sorts of senerios at the speed of light in case I needed to make a swift exit!

    We had a murder on a filling station forecourt locally, so extra vigilant.

  • brue
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    edited February 2022 #174

    SteveL. The average EV user partially charges up about three times a week, it shouldn't be a problem.

    As for other comments I think the OP presented the facts about his towing experiences with an EV very carefully and fully. It would be good if this thread stuck to the towing experience rather than divert to "what ifs." It's better to understand the facts and realities presented by those who actually run EVs and hybrids.

    We've now had an EV for five years, we hoped our car might get homolgation but it hasn't however in that time we've been pleased to see reliable tow cars coming along. This isn't going to be a miracle overnight process but new developments and infrastructure will be on the way.

  • Boff
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    edited February 2022 #175

    Please stop embarrassing yourself. Just in case you made the following statement.  

    “I think you will find the majority cannot park or charge at home at home”  

    Present your evidence.  

    Or resort to distraction.   

  • allanandjean
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    edited February 2022 #176

    So, just because there are, factually, more people who can “park at home” than not  you feel able to dismiss the millions, and, factually, it is millions, who can’t by dismissing these concerns as ‘whataboutism’??

    Fairness should be for all, not just those that are fortunate to be able to afford an EV and are able to park and charge it at home.

     

  • SteveL
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    edited February 2022 #177

    SteveL. The average EV user partially charges up about three times a week, it shouldn't be a problem.SteveL. The average EV user partially charges up about three times a week, it shouldn't be a problem.

    Two weren’t average and were doing more than a hundred miles a day. That’s the problem with averages they result from the very low and the very high. Currently I would need to charge once a week at most. My eldest  son, probably two times per 24 hours. 

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2022 #178

    I am not giving you an easy way of getting the information, when it available on the www for any one to find if that interested in trying to play down what is fact , unless you can prove you are right

     

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2022 #179

    Bit off topic maybe? Has any one read about the car transporter adrift on fire in the Atlantic that was started when an EVs batteries caught fire but has got to be towed to some where that can deal with the batteries firessurprised

  • davetommo
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    edited February 2022 #180

    My big worry is that they will tax petrol and diesel to such a price that we won’t be able to afford it.

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2022 #181

    I think the commercial vehicle operators will have a say on that as will those of us who wiil be not only hit in the pocket with higher fuel prices but also higher transport costs to super markets