Non-members on CLs
No names (just yet...).
On a CL (which has recently changed hands) the other week when a single guy in VW T5 home conversion turns up late at night and is away again 6am the next morning. When speaking to the CL owner the next morning I said I was surprised to see he'd let someone stay in a van with no toilet (given that the CL has no toilets). He seemed a little vague as to whether the person was a club member (I suspect he wasn't).
Is either issue acceptable? Certainly I think the no toilet issue is a complete no no and I'm not over the moon about letting non members in just out of greed (well what other reason is there?).
Andy
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CLs are for members only. That is in the terms of the exemption permission granted by this club to the CL owner. Breaches of the terms can put the whole system in jeopardy and the club wants to know about them in order to safeguard its own position and you will find similar discussions in the CL section of this forum.
The email address for reporting is - clresponse@camc.com
As for toilet arrangements, none of us can know what tiny Porta Potti may be tucked away in a VW camper and many do have them on board.
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You say "the other week..." but did you report the possible breach of conditions at the time?
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My Neice’s little Citroen camper conversion has a tiny porta potti on board for night times, so that’s one speculation that can be dispensed with, and we have seen lots of other small outfits with just the same.
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“Suspecting” someone is not a Club member - please tell us what to look out for so that we can all be on guard.
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It doesn't matter what the OP suspects, or what to look for, it's the fact that the CL owner wasn't sure or a little vague.
Now you might not like or apricate the CL system but others do, quite a lot, and this possible breach could put the whole system at risk. Won't affect you of course.
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Yes but maybe it was then too dark to apricate the space and individuality of the site so he paid for nothing?
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It’s not unknown for us to roll into a CL very late, and be back on the road again very early. It’s what some on tour do, stay legally overnight on a CL rather than a layby or hedge bottom, agreed with owner. I might get a printed sheet done to put in window explaining who we are, our Membership number, what we are doing. Then other folks can sleep soundly at night, and not worry about things for weeks after.
Actually having proof someone isn’t a Member is a whole lot different to speculating they might not be. One should be reported, the other is like saying your next door neighbour might be an axe murderer, but you aren’t quite sure🤷♀️
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It’s been one of the noticeable things since the first lockdown. We are off to a lovely CL soon, been using it for the last 30 plus years, without any issues. For some reason this last year, owner’s neighbour has been giving the owner a lot of grief, over trivia. Nothing that the Club would investigate, but let’s just say cars are now being parked to make life difficult for those visiting. It’s quiet, tucked away, been there for over 45 years.🤷♀️
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Is it bad enough to be reported for causing an obstruction?
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Probably Jill. But CL owners are trying to keep things friendly. It’s a pain for us, as they have a couple of pitches closer to where Mum and Sister will be staying. But he’s kicking up a fuss about them. Just makes it harder for Mum to get to us in MH, but I shall just use car for ferrying her back and forth. Might have to block his gate for a short while though😂 I will just mutter a feW French phrases at him, feign not understanding😇🤣
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A couple of points to clarify.
The site owner was unsure and obviously uncomfortable when I asked if the visitor was a club member - draw your own conclusion.
When I said to the site owner that I was surprised he let someone in without a toilet he told me the visitor knew there were no on site toilets and had none onboard and had said to the owner "I will manage, I'll be away early". "I will manage" either means peeing in a bottle or peeing around the pitch... If it's in a bottle all well and good but it's the thin end of a wedge, what happens when a family in a van with no toilet want to stop? Do you want to be in that pitch the next day?
We haven't reported it as yet as we are booked in for one night on the way home next week. The new owner said he had never owned a caravan/motorhome and new nothing at all about them or even what a CL was three months ago. I'm not sure he really gets it.
Andy
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I'm amazed he got a 'certificate' in that case.
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Ooo BB you once posted that you thought correcting people's spelling simply not on on a public forum (you actually used wore language that that) and here you are doing it yourself.
Still it's easier to have a go than post something on topic? AS I suppose you well know
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well QED
nice to catch a teacher out is that how you see things in life? Oh well fair enough must be something to do with being a shoe maker and having teacher envy.
despite not speaking to me
What's this about? BB your memory is failing you. I have been replying to you ever since you said you'd never reply to me again! Do you want to see your original post? (I think I know what you'll reply to that, lets see if I'm right)
But maybe keep back on topic rather than taking this off topic as usual?
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What’s the name of the CL?
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I'd sooner not say until I've stopped over there on my way home next week. There aren't exactly hundreds of other options in the area and the site has always worked very well for us in the past.
Andy
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As I say it's recently changed hands, do they need to be recertified after change of ownership? Do the club offer advice and clarify rules to new owners?
Andy
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So, you aren’t happy about what’s going on. So much so that you are going to report your suspicions to HQ. But only after you have stayed there again for convenience. I think I have got this right......🤔
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I'm glad you got the joke
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Why, do you think the owner will ask you to move on? And if it's worked well in the past is this event going to stop you using it again?
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Nah, if there’s a problem, stand up and be counted and vote with your wheels. If there’s no problem, say nothing at all…..but you already have so you're dithering and prepared to condone the perceived problem.
You can’t justify doing both, 3BD.
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Is that how you see reporting a breach of a CL's terms and conditions, in fact breaking a legally binding condition - a stab in the back?
if, if, this is the case the way forward is to report it and not use the CL again. I agree in principle with what you're saying but just object to the phrase in terms of reporting a breach.
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Bit hypocritical there. You want to stop him doing what you suspect is breaking the rules - but not until after you've stayed there again. Hmm!
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I'm not sure where I said I was going to stab him in the back or even report him.
As I say the site has recently changed hands and I was just asking what peoples thoughts were on what I saw as issues. I'm already booked in there for the return journey (as I said there aren't many other CL's in the area, it's location works well for us) and I'll raise my concerns with him next week face to face.
I still find the idea of a van with no toilet being let onto a site without toilets odd. Maybe I'm a bit more sensitive to this issue as I live on the NC500 in Scotland and almost every VW T5 that stops in the large layby at bottom of my garden contains at least one person who p***** (or worse) in full view of the house. I expect the same things going on in a CL.
Andy
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This is the 3rd time you have attacked the OP 3bd for struggling with right or wrong, the C&MC line is to report yet here you are trying your best to push him to ignore T&C’s. What you do is one thing but pushing someone else is beyond sensible particularly so on the C&MC forum.
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