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  • Hja
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    edited October 2021 #62

    Where does the additional £4.20 for hardstanding come from?  Was that mentioned at the AGM?

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2021 #63

    It is what some members will pay at this time to hopefully be on a hardstand pitch at this time is normally a serviced pitch at £..4.20?per  night ,which they may not have to pay if they book early enough for a normal hardstand when the system changes?

  • peedee
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    edited October 2021 #64

    The members it may affect are some retired folk who it seems are watching their pennies with prices

    A deposit is what it is, it doesn't make sites anymore expensive, its an advanced payment with the balance to pay on or before arrival.

    Withthe  increase in motorhome membership it would make sense to increase non awning pitches. Most motorhome owners when touring (the norm) do not put out full awnings, a canopy perhpas but not a full awning. It would certainly be nice to see more of them on predominately grass pitch sites instead of bare muddy patches.and perhaps it could also result in a few more pitches? Godrevey was a disgrace this year so much so I will not be using it again. Moving the pegs is not a solution, the result is a muddy patch either side of the van one of which you have to step out upon.

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  • JVB66
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    edited October 2021 #65

    At this time with no deposits a member can put a tour together at no cost including those on tight budgets , which will not be the case if deposited are to be paid when booking

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2021 #67

    If as some say they are on a tight budget paying out x amount in advance deposits from a pension as some would need to do ,could well curtail them from booking a tour if it entails several sites

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2021 #68

    The cost is the same JV. It’s only the date of payment of some of the money that changes. Folks will soon get used to sorting out how they pay. Some folks get their wages/salary/pension monthly, others weekly.

    I think the aim of the deposits is possibly to help with the no shows and ease some of the weekend take up to make things a bit easier.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2021 #69

    PD, trust me you have no chance, just walk away whilst you have your sanity👍🏻

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2021 #70

    I know that , but as there are some who post on here as to what they can or cannot afford and then deposits no matter when. they are deducted from their pitch fees on arrival,   still have to be paid from their pension be it weekly ,four weekly or monthly needs to be paid when they book a site and if on a tour could? be a substantial amount

    I do hope that the deposits are high enough to deter non arrivals.  ,as I posted last time they were used it was not a deterent but then several site could be booked for the same night, and members would stop at the one  when they got tired of driving on long journeys,

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2021 #71

    Oh dear coolundecidedit certainly does take some time for it to sink in with some posters,   not all pensioners are on decent pensions according to  some by their posts are way behind  surprised

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2021 #72

    Rocky, add "sink in" to the list, please🙂

  • SteveL
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    edited October 2021 #73

    In our case, if we had been using all C&CC sites it would have amounted to 39 x £25 (£975) in a couple of batches some few months apart, for May / June and September / October tours. I would have though with a bit of careful budgeting achievable. After all if finances were that tight they wouldn’t be using CAMC sites in the first place, 

  • cyberyacht
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    edited October 2021 #74

    The deposits will only be a control mechanism if a) they are of adequate size, b) non-refundable (but possibly transferable for the same date).

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2021 #75

    At this stage, no one knows what the deposit amount will be, or if it will be refundable/transferable. But once paid at time of booking, the amount simply comes off the rest of the fees. 

    I used to book our favourite CL for 28 days, (sometimes a year in advance because it was so popular,) secure the booking with a deposit, and would then periodically pay off a certain amount so that by the time we got down there, we had the whole holiday paid for, and just enjoyed our holiday. Always found it better than paying out a large amount as we arrived on holiday.

  • brue
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    edited October 2021 #76

    You'll find, as per the deposit system with the "other club" that popular places and pitches get booked well ahead. However the C&CC also put some extra brakes on their system, no one night stays on some sites, minimum night stays such as five nights etc etc this all adds up to quite a controlled system and it's still popular with users. What CAMC is proposing is yet to be revealed but I sincerely hope there are some "controls" as it could be cumbersome without them. If the weekend deposits are too cheap, for instance, many problems will remain.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2021 #77

    If the weekend deposits are too cheap, for instance, many problems will remain

    Yes +1

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2021 #78

    The simple fact is that the Club currently has a record number of Members, but hasn’t got enough Club Site pitches to accommodate them adequately at times. Exacerbated at the moment with some Sites closing early, and they lost two more Sites this year with Fakenham and Market Rasen now off the list. The staff at Marazion told us that that particular Site had been given a reprieve due to the amount of folks wanting to stay, which was well above the norm for that quiet little Site. 
    Even with deposits, I think there will still be quite a scramble to get some places at particular times of the year. It might need some forward thinking and getting organised to get exactly what one might want to avoid disappointment. 

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited October 2021 #79

    But they say that no shows are a very minor problem and that they decreased when deposits were dropped previously,  so why the change back to deposits now?

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2021 #80

    No idea Nellie🤷‍♀️ I’ve never seen any actual factual references around no show figures, cannot recall Club ever hinting they were an issue, so not sure at all why the Club have now decided to consider deposits. You do see quite a few Member posts wanting them, so perhaps HQ get a lot of requests, and have decided to act? DG’s report did say that the rate of bookings this year has been unlike anything experienced before, I think a figure of 50,000 booking requests in one day was mentioned, but Minutes would clarify if this is case. 

    Personally, it’s not an issue for us. We don’t tend to visit Club Sites outside of Winter months usually, unless we are going to a particular event, and then I book as soon as I have the event date. Any other Club Site visits are usually very short notice.

    It would be good if Club could give Members some feedback on why changes are made, as well as what is changing and how. Maybe it will happen next year, once things are finalised.

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2021 #81

    Totally non-refundable deposits, paid 12 months ahead and bye bye CMC

  • brue
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    edited October 2021 #83

    Personally I will really miss the freedom we now enjoy with the club being able to book and change bookings with such ease but it has never made economic sense to me. I would imagine the majority honour their bookings but a deposit represents a more committed approach on both sides. Let's hope the customer will now get the standard and type of pitch expected and the club have a stronger revenue base.

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2021 #84

    My post on which you comment was in response to the deposits being non refundable but also coupled with the need to book far ahead and particularly if a hardstand is wanted on certain sites. 

     

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2021 #85

    From Conversation with site staff ,it seems that since last year no shows have been on the increase and it seems, mostly involves new members with motorcaravans /campers

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2021 #86

    +1, eloquently put CY👍🏻

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    edited October 2021 #87
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  • SteveL
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    edited October 2021 #88

    Perhaps we could have a system like BF with cheaper non refundable pitch nights and more expensive fully flexible. You wouldn’t get your deposit back, but you would be able to change your booking, say up to 72 hours before.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2021 #89

    It’s a system used by hotel chains as well. Pay now, cheap, but non-refundable. Pay now, dearer, but refundable up to x days/hours before the take up date. 

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  • brue
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    edited October 2021 #91

    Here's the LINK to the CAMC 2020 financial statements. Remembering that the first Covid lockdown started in March 2020.