e scooters
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Thanks for that WN
I am surprised at that number. Perhaps a purge at strategic places may result in a deterrent. If the police took up a position in our local shopping centre or the approach road, they would have a significant number of prosecutions or confiscations per hour.
The last article I read on the topic from the police stated they were taking a hands off approach to see how the use of scooters progressed. That was a while ago though.
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Quite a large number WN
There is also info which estimates that by year end there will be 200,000 incidents with e-scooters even though the incidents are under reported.
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I suspect there is some confusion over e scooters at the moment because, whilst they may be illegal to use on public roads there are over 30 towns and cities where they are being used as an experiment. Here in Milton Keynes we have two rental companies that hire them as part of the experiment. We are fortunate that we have the infrastructure, because of our extensive cycle network, for them to be used relatively safely although that doesn't stop some people acting as idiots as is always the case throughout society.
As far as Club sites are concerned how many actually read the rules and how practical is it for wardens to remind arriving members that they are not allowed? By the time they are noticed it is too late, I doubt children read the site notices? I have been to about half a dozen Club sites this year and can't say I have witnessed any reckless behaviour by children. Some have been riding bikes and some on scooters, maybe even e scooters, good to see them enjoying themselves.
David
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It is tragic that anyone loses their life as a result of riding a scooter but I think some members of the public are missing the point to a great degree. For those that haven't read it, a 20 year old guy was riding a scooter that he had bought online. His girlfriend was also on the scooter with him when they were in collision with a car. Sadly, the guy died a few days later and the girlfriend has life changing injuries. The mother of the guy told the media that had he been wearing a crash helmet he would still be alive. That may well be the case but there was no mention by her of the fact that he was breaking the law on several counts.
I can see the appeal of them to would be riders but I can see the massive potential dangers of them. A few months ago I saw a guy riding down the pavement on a road near us with a very small child stood in front of him holding onto the handlebar. The guy had one hand on the handlebar and the other holding a phone up to his ears. Irresponsible or what?
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I was hit by a car in 2018 by. an elderly driver who pulled out of a side road. I can now walk again. My greatest comfort has been using crutches, a stick etc and walking/exercising in the safety of our Caravan Club sites with the 5 mph speed limits, members mostly respect this and mostly take care with children playing. Sadly, possibly because we have been let out of confinement after Covid the sites have become speeding racetracks. It is chaos on sites now, cars speeding, huge motorhomes with cars on tow speeding, possibly new members who are unaware of the care and consideration usually shown on site and see the site roadways as an extension on the outside highways, driving the wrong way round sites for shortcuts, adults with these E scooters, using stop-watches for racing each other, shouting they had managed 30mph! Even more upsetting this was in broad daylight in front of the reception with the wardens present. These were the same wardens that stopped my eight year old grandaughter using her little hovver/stand on type board in front of our van with us walking with her. This was bought as an Xmas gift having watched lots of children playing on them the year before in the safety of the site. We hadnt known that the club would publish in the next hand-book that ALL battery/charged vehicles ie scooter, segways etc would be banned in 2021. Needless to say we took her present home, and she has only used it on the patio since. All difficult while she still stands watching all the other children playing on theirs rushing around the site! (We are on a seasonal pitch) The wardens only speak to the seasonal pitch holders and enforce the rules, everybody else can just please themselves. We have a rule on site, no ball games, obviously the wardens never ever seem to see anyone kicking a ball! They never walk around the site, enforce rules etc. Over the last 35 years on sites, it is now just like being back at school without the teachers!!!! Sorry, but David states above the wardens can't advise everyone that these "toys" capable of speeds in excess of 20mph are not allowed. Also, that they can't possibly monitor the situation, well thats fine, just add a reminder to the information leaflet handed out and ask that members report such incidents so the warden can then (at their leisure) speak to the member who is responsible for their children or guests breaking club rules. You just cannot simply shut a few hundred people on a site in together without somebody guiding their behaviour! The club was respected with its standards, rules, and safety for everyone concerned, all this has gone.
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Rule 13 in this clubs sites handbook covers what is allowed on site roads
if site staff see what you say i happening then they should "speak" to those concerned although it seems these days ,it is not a good idea to be confrontational with some, unless you have any backup
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We have moved from a couple of club sites and are now on a smallish (30 odd vans) site on the edge of the New Forest...
no one way road, no cars or MH doing anything like the speeds we all see (yet seem reluctant to admit to) on club sites.
No kids tearing around on bikes or scooters...no wardens, just the owner and his assistant...pay at office when convenient.......and most noticible...NO reams of paper (now in a nice plastic folder.....) listing scores of rules about everything one could think of...
owner met us...told us where the toilet/shower/CCEP etc were, along with the two pitches he had allocated together for us and our pals and we we pitched up in a couple of minutes....
the quietness here is in a real contrast to our previous two club sites.
it's not that we didn't enjoy our stay at either, we did, it's just that the club has its 'way' of doing things from pitching to providing info, from rules to upholding them, from road design to staffing....
when you move to somewhere that 'isn't Club' the difference seems stark..
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When you have large organisations as are the two main pitch supplyers as both clubs are ,it is very dificult i would expect compared to small commercial sites ,to only have a small set of "rules" that may be needed to cover as many eventualities as may arise
i think all large organisations will need the same,
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It's interesting that you discount Club comparisons to 'small' commercials yet do exactly the same when I mention a 'large' commercial...
perhaps the club is unique and doesn't stand comparison elsewhere?
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No kids tearing around on bikes or scooters
I should hope not, it's term time?
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WN, when we lived in Germany its was law to have third party liability insurance.
Quite often this was included in house insurance. We had to take it out as parents, if our child ran into the street or fell off a bike and caused an accident as a parent you were liable for ALL costs.
Dogs were even included in the law, much to the dismay of one of our friends who's dog slipped his lead and ran into the road. It caused a driver to swerve, unfortunately it still clipped the dog which had to be put down due to the severity of its injuries. The dog owner had to pay for the damage to the car.
We had to use the insurance once, when a supermarket trolley got away from as we were unloading the shopping into the car. It rolled away and came to rest against a german car. The owner was most insistent that we pay for the wing to be resprayed. It was the tiniest of marks that could have been polished out. Thankfully the insurance agreed.
Very good cover to have, especially over here.
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TG,
Thanks for your reply. It is common over here, but not the law, in the UK to have Public Liability cover under your Household Insurance policy but I have seen many a policy underwritten by different companies that would have excluded cover for a motorised Quad bike, some even for sit down lawn mowers.
Insurers in the UK, many of them the very same ones that provide cover in Germany, are scared of large claims arising from these incidents and thus distorting their figures for what is a relatively low risk for them. One only has to see how large some Liability claims can become after road accidents to see why they think this way. The young lady that hit our car could have quite easily have hit any number of people who were out and about at that time on the campsite.
I was just wondering how they will approach the risks provided by e-scooters.
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WN, I guess things might have changed, its 31 years since we left Germany
and close on 50 years since we went there. I don't think things like ebikes, escooters and quad bikes were items that folk had. At that time they were very insurance minded. It caught many a squaddie out.
I find insurance companies will always try to get out of any claim if they can writing in clauses to cover just about everything.
Lots of electric scooters over here, they now use them on some sites to escort you to your pitch. Lots of young children using them to, unlike ebikes which they can't until 14 years of age I believe.
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