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  • labradors r the best
    labradors r the best Forum Participant Posts: 7
    edited May 2021 #62

    VW say the emissions aren't strict enough.

    A while back they were found out to be fiddling the emissions to pass the current levels.

    ENOUGH SAID

  • brue
    brue Forum Participant Posts: 21,176 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    edited May 2021 #63

    Maybe read this informative piece from EDF. EVs can't emit carbon dioxide can they, there's no exhaust. EDF LINK

    Our EV isn't built from conventional materials either, the body is made from carbon fibre, produced from a weaving process not from a polluting metal foundry.

    And here's a USA based web site that gives some information about carbon fibre production. LINK

    As for tax, the latest information on that is the prospect that tax will be on the miles driven in future, the more you drive, the more you pay.

    Yes, sit back and read up a bit more on the real facts and the technology...wink

  • ChocolateTrees
    ChocolateTrees Forum Participant Posts: 432
    edited May 2021 #64

    I am in the fortunate position that I have the option of a company car. I have chosen not to take the option up for the last 15 years, opting instead to take a cash allowance, and that has paid for my cars. However, with the current state of the system, it is incredibly good value to take an EV, and it's something I have wanted to do for some time, but it has not been the right moment. Now is, and it will be cost neutral to me, and a more environmentally friendly choice to boot. 

    Yes - I am lucky, not everyone has the same opportunity. 

  • Tinwheeler
    Tinwheeler Forum Participant Posts: 23,134 ✭✭✭
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    edited May 2021 #65

    I've no argument with that. I was attempting to point out that it isn't completely a "no brainer" as was implied.

  • ChocolateTrees
    ChocolateTrees Forum Participant Posts: 432
    edited May 2021 #66

    For me - it really was a no brainer. Different people circumstances differ. I did the sums (in detail) and found that I could continue to run my 2008 plate XC90 D5 and hope that it held together and that the cost of fuel would stay the same, or have a brand new EV - for the same cost to me, give all the potential issues to the lease company, and have no financial change. All I had to do was make the mindset change from ICE to EV, which I was already partly doing as I run a Volvo PHEV too. 

  • ChocolateTrees
    ChocolateTrees Forum Participant Posts: 432
    edited May 2021 #67

    BTW - I am not trying to "convert" anyone. EVs are not for everyone right now, for a variety of different reasons. I started the thread, not to bash ICE, but to gain information on how folks see the club in the future world of EV. I will however defend EVs against misinformation. Its amazing how many myths there are around EV use and their green credentials. 

    Tinwheeler - I took your advice and I have now (last week) emailed the club directly to ask what they are doing - no reply yet, but I live in hope. 

    I for one, am really looking forward to my EV Caravanning experience, and cant wait to see how it goes. One minor disappointment for me, I have a short break planned in the 'van for the end of May bank holiday. I should have my EV about 2 days before hand, and I am absolutely ready to try it, but polestar recommend driving 1000km before towing very heavy loads just to bed the car in... :-(

     

  • Tinwheeler
    Tinwheeler Forum Participant Posts: 23,134 ✭✭✭
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    edited May 2021 #68

    "Tinwheeler - I took your advice and I have now (last week) emailed the club directly to ask what they are doing - no reply yet, but I live in hope"

    It is the way to put forward ideas and establish the facts rather than speculating on a discussion forum bu don't hold your breath as communication is not a strong point of CAMC.

  • NutsyH
    NutsyH Forum Participant Posts: 534
    edited May 2021 #69

    Chocolate trees

    Jolly good. My 408Hp, 600Nm EV can too. See you when you get to the top.

    Is that all? My Porsche Cayenne has 397BHP, and 900NM torque - and it does 650 miles without a recharge on a tankful of diesel. Torque is the most important for towing, as we all know. laughing

     

  • ocsid
    ocsid Forum Participant Posts: 1,395
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    edited May 2021 #70

    "I should have my EV about 2 days before hand, and I am absolutely ready to try it, but polestar recommend driving 1000km before towing very heavy loads just to bed the car in... :-("

     

    How really odd on the face of it considering the nature of the mechanics of EVs, rolling element bearing not journals, no sliding or reciprocating  bits, tyres probably benefit from a few gentle miles.

    Is there some characteristics of the battery technology that needs "running in"? Our e-bike needed a claimed three deep cycles to "learn" its battery's capacity.

  • ChocolateTrees
    ChocolateTrees Forum Participant Posts: 432
    edited May 2021 #71

    Indeed - it does seem odd, and the concuss from most of the owners group is "its a mistake". Polestar "inherited" a lot of their manual from the Volvo XC40 range that it shares the chassis with. For example, it tells you not to drive with the boot open as the cabin might fill with exhaust fumes... Really, there is nothing in the drive train to need wearing in.

    Anyway some folks have suggested bedding in break pads and getting the sheen off the tyres might be a good plan, but that is the work of 10s of minutes, not 1000kms. The battery needs no "bedding in". 

    But it seems the hardest thing will be

    1) getting some suitable towing mirrors - my excellent Milenco aero wont fit as the wing mirrors are rimless - I think I will have to try the "suck it an see" mirrors. 

    2) Getting an extra rear number plate made in time, as I wont have a copy of the V5C for a few weeks!

     

     

  • JVB66
    JVB66 Forum Participant Posts: 22,892
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    edited May 2021 #72

    Why would you need the v5to get an extra number plate ,it would be a very poor car dealer that must already be fitting plates to the car, not to make an extra for your caravan , our dealers always have, at no extra costundecided

  • ChocolateTrees
    ChocolateTrees Forum Participant Posts: 432
    edited May 2021 #73

    In the end they are - It just took finding the right way to ask the question.

    Polestar don't have dealers - they sell direct on line, though mine is coming through a lease company. They have a series of "spaces" and demonstration locations around the UK. Servicing (SW updates, topping up wahser fluid, and checking for break and tyre wear) is carried out at Volvo dealer. 

     And I just got some "suck it and see" towing mirrors - look good at first glance - hope they work well! 

    So the full BEV tow to a non-hookup CL 2 days after the new car arrives is on! 

  • JVB66
    JVB66 Forum Participant Posts: 22,892
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    edited May 2021 #74

    Not far from home thencool

  • ChocolateTrees
    ChocolateTrees Forum Participant Posts: 432
    edited June 2021 #75

    Update for anyone still interested. Ownership of the car is now 3 1/2 weeks in with 2 caravan trips done. One three nighter on a Non-hookup CL about 39 miles away, and one 8 nighter on a non-hookup CL 140 miles away in the Brecon Beacons. (Both CLs excellent and worth a trip if you are into off grid caravan / MH). 
    Electric towing is amazing - very quiet, lots of torque and power. Charging at the destinations not too bad, just needs a little planning. Charging en route, the same. Stopped after 2 hours on the way out and 2.5 on the way back. I could have done with stopping earlier on the way back, but pushed on to a new charger I wanted to try out. 
    Slight faff to un hitch and re hitch to charge, but no more than 5 extra mins with a suitable helper. Each stop was about 40 mins or so of charging, while grabbing some food, comfort break and chatting with the passers by, most of whom were asking about electric towing. 

    The hardest part of the entire move to an EV, was figuring out the right weight balance to keep the caravan under MTPLM, and the train under max train weight. That was more about just a new car than about an EV. All in good. Planning to use EV for Northants to Whitby in a month. Great performance!