Over 90 Days In Europe
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If one of you has an EU passport then the British partner can travel WITH the EU passport holder for a continuous period of 3 months in any one EU country. Such periods do NOT count towards the 90/180 rule for the British partner. The Schengen border guard handbook gives examples of long stays in such circumstances.
Here is the link to download the Guide in English.
Specifics on page 17 para 2.1.2
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More worrying though is the status of all the personal possessions carried by members touring in the EU. Will customs declarations be needed? Will items such as lap tops, cameras, tools etc. be liable to VAT and customs duties? The Gov.uk site doesn't give any guidance other than not taking meat and dairy products.
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Here is the link to download the Guide in English.
Specifics on page 17 para 2.1.2
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Elaine has an Irish Passport ... 'Good-oh, you'd better look after me, then if you want these long stays ...'
I have a sneaking feeling that I shall be reminded of this whenever I commit a minor transgression ...
Steve
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I would have thought it would have been relatively easy to establish whether a camera or laptop was yours prior to your trip by the files and the photographs on the device. If anyone was worried they could always take proof of original purchase, but seriously I can't imagine it being a major issue. Unlike wine I can't see there is much advantage buying Tech in Europe unless its changed since I last went?
David
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To be honest I'm not that worried about the 90 in 180 day rule.
I have played with the Schengen calculator and have managed to work out our usual pattern of holidays up until the end 2023.
A visit to Lanzarote for 3 weeks in March 2022, followed by 65 days in France/Spain April - June, then again 66 days France/Spain Oct - Dec
Then repeat for 2023
we usually go away somewhere nice and warm in Jan/Feb and tour Scotland July/August so for us it works.The only time it wouldn't work is if we stayed too long in Spain over the winter ie into Jan/Feb (which we don't)
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I have a question - which maybe someone in the "CMC" world can answer.
What I would like to know is "how are the various ports in Holland, France and Spain control the arrival of British Nationals".
So let us say you arrive in Caen with your caravan, car wife (!) and dog. What happens when you get to immigration be it in UK or France. Does your passport get stamped or do the Frontier Police just scan it and wave you through? If scanned what happens if you enter through Caen and then a month or two later, depart via Bilbao?
Do the French, Spanish and Dutch all have access to a central computer database which will record your arrival and departure dates?
Has anyone actually managed to travel out to France or Spain after 01.01.21 - on a tourist rather than a residence permit. Appreciate that we have had lockdown but maybe someone has done it?
Thanks
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I think the Eu realises they haven't had an accurate record of entries and departures into the Schengen area but they are certainly working on setting up a central computer database with a 2022 target date. It may take longer, but the aim is that a passport scanned on departure from any boundary of the Schengen zone will give on screen information to the border force officer about when and where the person entered that zone .
That's certainly the plan - but none of us yet know about the size of fines or penalties for overstaying.
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UK is now a Third Country and EU has banned travel from Third Countries that have a high COVID infection rate, so the problem remains hypothetical at present.
Since Border Control will need to monitor Third Country Arrivals/Departures to determine length of stay eligibility, I imagine it will be back to the early 1970s 'How long are you staying and where are you traveling to?' routine.
Or, as someone expressed it on Twitter:
'Roses are red,
Violets are Blue.
Now stand over there,
In that very long queue ...'
Steve
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Hi all,
Am told a Spanish Non Lucrative Visa (180 days), via the Consulate General, in UK may assist some qualifying applicants.
The 3rd Party Website's 'Schengen Calculator's' mentioned for me after many attempts so far seem to apply the rules wrongly - so good luck.
Can see many changes ahead now when the full impact & the fines start. Understand lots of 2nd home owners wintering abroad watching the calendar now for c.31/3/21 = 90 days in EU getting exceeded.
NB Have no doubts that the scammers will be starting up EU Official looking new websites to assist you with Visas & overstay issues.
M
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Yes and even bona fide expats who have a residents permit, such as our daughter, have been advised that they will still need to apply for the Tarjeta de Identidad de Extranjero (TIE). Never thought i would see the day that Spain turned away British Money
p.s. daughter said that there is a huge backlog of paper work for people that have applied for residency and even those whose paper work is in the queue are being told they will have to leave
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I see there is a Petition to change the rules as oddly it seems EU citizens can stay in the UK for 180 days if I have read it correctly. See here Interesting reply from the Government.
David
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The petition is not about caravanning or motorhoming in Spain - it refers to UK citizens who live in Spain and have property in Spain. Frankly those expats had plenty of warning and plenty of time to apply for resident status, get their paperwork in order, and start paying tax in Spain. I am not inclined to sign on their behalf.
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It is possible that there are part time visiting property owners who don't want to take out residency in the same way that there are caravanners and motorhomers who are now finding the 90 day rule very restrictive. My own view is the 90 day restriction should apply to all not just British citizens but to worldwide/European visitors as well. The 90/180 day rights should apply equally. I am not sure it is the EU who is standing in the way of allowing this but our own Government by the nature of their negotiations? It is they who seem to want this absolute separation from the EU whether it makes sense or not.
David
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I can't see the EU being too bothered by a petition issued outside the Schengen area. I would expect the net result being that any attempted common reciprocal agreement would end up with the UK government restricting visitors from the EU to a 90 day stay as well.
There's nothing in principle to stop the UK joining the Schengen area while on the other hand remaining outside the EU.
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Lutz
I don't think the Petition is aimed at the EU, it's more to do with the UK Government and the deal they have struck with the EU. I imagine that the UK weren't keen to join Schengen when we were in the EU and with the attitude in the current Government towards any alignment with the EU I can't see it happening even if it were possible?
David
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Absolutely no chance, would stir up all that angst about immigration again.
BTW, Gibraltar has a kind of fudged in/out Schengen deal negotiated as part of Brexit.
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But does that not involve the Free Movement of People? The current UK Government is totally opposed to that.
David
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Lutz
I am sure that is correct, didn't think I would see cakeisum back in the argument
Perhaps what you have to appreciate is that nearly half of those that voted in the referendum didn't want us to leave the EU so all the consequences of becoming a "third country" is harder to accept for that proportion of the population. I suspect even some of those that voted to leave expected a deal with a much closer relationship with the EU than we have actually ended up with. I can see no winners and having been told by at least one minister that we might not see any benefit from Brexit for at least 10 years those that want easier restrictions whilst travelling in Europe are probably hitting their heads against a brick wall?David
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