Masks on UK sites
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@ TtDA .... Not quite sure of sneezing ...
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Wear your trunks now. At least they'll keep some parts of you warm.
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TW wrote "Are you suggesting that CAMC sites represent perfection in normal times? "
Certainly not although some seem to think so.
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My original question was why they’re(masks) denounced other than as a protection for others from the wearer. Why not for the wearer from others. I isolated the mask in my question. I know of the entry points into an individual thru the body👍🏻
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The mask will take up and retain, on it's surface, the virus from the saliva of those that cough or even breath close to you. It will stay there and can then pass into your body via your sinuses and so affect you, if you are not already suffering from the virus.
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But many who have, or are carriers of, the virus do not necessarily show the symptoms, and they themselves would not know if they have the virus or not, and so could legitimately be out and about. Even if they have tested negative one day won't mean that they've not contracted the virus some time after the test.
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only those with the disease can pass it on in the mode being discussed.
if they have symptoms, they should be at home.
if they have no symptoms why would they consider it necessary to wear a mask when outside?
unless we are all told we have to...
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BB, I was following on from pd's which you queried by your comments, pointing out that people could well have the virus but not be showing the symptoms, but might take to wearing a mask as a matter of choice when they go out.
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Hells teeth......😂 Not sure if that’s a mask or a sex aid! 🤣
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Precisely, So as not to infect others, not altruistic just common sense. A physical barrier stopping you from infecting others around you.
However if others 'dont care a fig' and dont wear one (until they are told they HAVE to). and possibly even have to have the mask supplied to them.
Then we are screwed.And sites probably wont be allowed to open until next year.
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i for one dont have the medical expertise to state unequivicably what the benefits of wearing a (proper) mask are...
they might seem 'obvious' to some but we dont know this, nor the effectiveness (or not) of home made items.
ill await the formal outcome and, if we need to wear a proper mask in certain situations then so be it.
luckily, i dont need to ride on a bus, train or tube.
for time being, im happy to follow the distancing guidelines and give the world a wide berth.
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I certainly agree with your last two sentences, BB. We have made a,couple of masks but won't be wearing them till we are required to do so.
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I bought some from two medical suppliers. I asked first about supplies being available for NHS people and was assured that there were stocks. (Now read somewhaere else that NHS have to purchase centrally.) Bought two expensive ones that are washable and 10 disposable ones. Absolutely essential not to touch them after fitting. If you do, sanitise hands before and afterwards. Most corona viruses also get in through the eye so to be really sure goggles are needed. That is why they say masks protect other people more than the wearer. We shall wear masks when in indoors with other people. Interesting that the 2 metre rule seems a bit arbitrary. It's based on research done in the 1930's. Droplets from talking go about 1.5 metres. Finer droplets, called aerosols, probably travel further. Sneezing can go 6 metres!!!! So anyone sneezing without covering should be........... (Answers on a post card please.)
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if in a smokey room (house on fire) i can see that wearing a mask of sorts (tea towel?) might reduce inhalation of smoke by a certain percentage..
a reduced percentage of smoke might save your life....your body might be able to deal with the problem at that level...
however, if a mask only allows half of a nearby coronavirus sneeze spray into your system, will you become half as sick?...
...or half as dead...
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It could possibly be the difference between a mild infection and a fatal one. I'm no virologist but ISTM that any barrier is better than none. For those that drive precipitous mountain passes, would you rather have a small barrier or none at all?
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We shall wear masks when in indoors with other people. Interesting that the 2 metre rule seems a bit arbitrary.
Hi, why would you need to wear masks when indoors unless the people are not part of your household and you cannot distance?
The 2 m 'rule' is part of the guidance, and where possible I will stay away from people completely, but I think the wearing of masks is very likely to make people more inclined to breach this.
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"im no virologist"...
and certainly, nor am i..
but i was just musing if the effect (mild/severe) on someone is more about now they react/cope (vulnerability, age, sex) with the virus rather than the 'quantity' of that ingested?
in my smoke analagy....more volume and more prolonged exposure results in more damage...but its passive and a small amount ingested cant 'work its way around the system'...as soon as one is removed from the source, the condition doesnt worsen.
...with a virus, its living and once its in the system (however small an a 'amount' gets in) it 'does its thing', changing, expanding and spreading through the body attacking cells where it can...
its active and not passive, like smoke.
i found this relating to doses...
"We know for some diseases that the dose of virus a person is exposed to will directly correlate with how severe the disease is. A good example of this is influenza. A 2015 study from the US showed that the higher the dose of influenza virus given to healthy volunteers, the worse their symptoms. Viruses are tiny particles that must get into our cells in order to replicate, so the logic is that the more starting virus particles there are, the more cells will be infected.
However, viruses replicate exponentially. A single infected cell can produce hundreds, if not thousands, of copies of the particle. This means that for some viruses, even a tiny dose of virus is enough to cause an infection. For example, for half the population, it takes just 18 particles of norovirus to cause an infection. This can lead to the classic clinical signs of vomiting and diarrhoea. In such infections, the virus replicates so fast that the starting dose can become much less relevant."
however, as said im no expert...ill just keep well away from folk.
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..but if you take things to the hypothetical extreme, it may have been possible that one partner (but not the other) 'could' have contracted the virus when last outside (on exercise), but as yet has no symptoms.
with no masks (or other 'preventative measures'....remaining apart) then this can be transferred back to the other partner...
BTW, im not suggesting masks at home, merely posing a (flimsy) hypothesis
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Morning
R.E. your last sentence. I agree that mask wearing will make us complacent especially regarding distancing. An example. Yesterday we had a courier delivery to site. Our system here is the driver leaves package by gate and we acknowledge delivery, then we take it for disinfection. So, this guy has a full paper boiler suit, gloves and a mask, strolls through gate and comes toward me. "Woah there" I say, get back to 2 meters. It's ok he says, don't need to worry about that, I've got ppe on!
How many more will adopt that attitude?
JK
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I've witnessed that attitude as well, JK. It's noticeable in supermarkets where some mask wearers charge around seeming to think social distancing doesn't apply to them.
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Not of course helped by the fact we are being told they will almost certainly be required on public transport to allow a relaxation of the 2 metre distance. This implies they provide a measure of protection, where as the science seems to dispute that.
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If we are required to wear masks, do we supply our own and if so then Ebay or Amazon is a hotbed for fakes at the moment. I have no idea about making one, my sewing skills are non existent as are my wifes
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You're right Steve, all this contradictory information and a relaxed lockdown next week could lead to that feared second wave.
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That’s different to the supermarkets I’ve been to recently. The people wearing masks seem to be the most cautious and risk averse, staying far more than the advised 2m distance.
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You don't need sewing skills 😉😉
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Thanks both👍🏻
I just ruined a pair of new 'Puma' walking socks
my cutting skills need a little practice also. I think I need some longer ones as it pulled my ears forward so far they looked similar to Prince Charles'But some good ideas out there.
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I love all those wearing masks puffing on a fag, or in many instances, something not as legal, mask down on chin. Gives one real hope for humanity.........🤣
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OH will probably make some but I have also ordered a box on Amazon, supplier had a good score and reviews generally positive on quality and delivery. Should be here in a week. Don't intend to use public transport and the amount we are going out, other than into the forest, is minimal, so 50 should last a good time, if and when they become a requirement. Worked out at 54p each.
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