Rewilding

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  • brue
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    edited January 2021 #212

    Oops looks like there's some agreeing on here. laughing

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2021 #213

    It is probably a smear campaign put out by those who have been or are being stung by his campaigns to stop so much damage being caused by projects like the "white elephant"HS2 under the "progress banner?" and as with the anti vaxers jump on any band wagon,to try to discredit individuals

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited January 2021 #214

    He’s no different from Sir David A in a lot of his beliefs, just more forceful in his statements and delivery, which may or may not be to do with a diagnosis of Asperger Syndrome. I was a late comer to his presentation style, but admire him now. Doesn’t mean I have to like all his statements, but I do admire his understanding and principles. 

    This country has suffered extensively from dewilding down the centuries, including removal of indigenous folks more in harmony with their landscapes than others, and if we have one commodity in far too much abundance, it’s ruddy sheep. And yet we’re constantly told “they are worth nothing”. 🤷‍♀️

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited January 2021 #215

    Big agree here👍🏻. I admire folk who do not just say but actually do-CP has had a few personal attacks because he disagrees with folk who enjoy killing wildlife. I don’t understand how anyone who cares can be attacked. 

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited January 2021 #216

    Agree👍🏻. It’s counter intuitive is HS2🤷🏻‍♂️, the Govt laws fine homeowners £thousands for cutting trees down in their own gardens(I support the law btw) yet big business can flatten ancient woodland(over 420yrs old) that belongs to all of us for the visual amenity if nothing else without redress. I find it sickening😤☹️

  • mickysf
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    edited January 2021 #217

    Yes! He may tread on the toes of those that kill and litter vast tracts of our countryside with toxic lead shot. Unfortunately the latter kill wildlife for pleasure, a few weeks of them illegally, and then attack those willing to point out the error of their ways.

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2021 #219

    Sounds like a cop out to me - an excuse to do nothing🙁

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited January 2021 #221

    On the upside a lot of them are caught by those who really care, the Police tipped off & are dealt with👍🏻

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2021 #222

    I think F needs to get out more into the UK countryside we live 21miles from Kings Cross and if i walk less than a mile there is not a house to be seen,  in a five minute walk we have a spring fed lake and a rare chalk bed river with normally a couple of little Egrett, ,on the banks and fields in which graze a flock Hebridean sheep ,across the Road  the farmer has a herd on English longhorn cattle and the rest of his land as much around here is normally growing crops, over head we can every day see Kites and Buzzards plus many other corvids in flocks and many Munjac and Roe deer

    Rewilding who needs itcool

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited January 2021 #223

    Agribusinesses they are not farmers They run successful rural enterprises-you are a hobby farmer who tinkers around the edges & actually does the bidding of the big boys you are a teeny-tiny cog in a huge engine, sad but true. By the way my food comes from Asda🤣🤣

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2021 #224

    But then there are "farmers?" who are very insular and very out of date with their attitudesundecided

    ,Thank goodness there are many more farmers who appreciate  that we pay our taxes to help subsidise  their lifestyleswink

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited January 2021 #225

    Does that make us shareholders?🤔

  • LLM
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    edited January 2021 #226

    You are lucky to live in a place relatively close to good semi-rural areas such as Digswell.  This does not mean that there are not other areas that would not benefit from some rewilding which would bringing the benefits that you enjoy to many other people.  

     

  • Goldie146
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    edited January 2021 #227

    Maybe you would like to look at this website - and join up.

    https://www.nffn.org.uk/

    (Comment not addressed to anyone in particular)

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited January 2021 #228

    What a contrast of posts. I think many people appreciate the work, empathy and professionalism that is happening on many farms. Thank you Goldie.

  • brue
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    edited January 2021 #229

    Places like this offer so much more. Shallowford Farm in Devon.

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  • brue
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    edited January 2021 #231

    I suppose you can barricade yourself in and keep everyone out or you can encourage people to enjoy what you have and show them how to respect the environment in general?

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #232

    I think the country side can be, in fact is used, for both farming, industry, and tourism very well indeed. Of course people have to respect each other, which normally they do.

  • Fisherman
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    edited January 2021 #233

    Its this weird conception of how the countryside should be. Back in the dark ages but when the population was only a percentage of what it is now and life was cheap. How do you intend to feed the population if  we revert the countryside to wilderness, How safe would you be in your vans and walking about with Wolves and other high end predators about. Think about it.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #234

    Fish, I've missed it but who is saying anything about reverting the county back to wilderness?

    As to the wolf thing and predator things, I'm really puzzled what you mean? The last wolf in the UK was in the 1600's I recall and in England centuries before that. Are you suggesting we populate the species.

    What other high end predators are you talking about? Have there ever been such things even in the dark ages?

    By the way the most dangerous animal in the UK that causes the most deaths to humans is the cow!

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2021 #235

    I guess it depends on the type of person you are, Brue. Generous and willing to share the benefits with all, or.....not.

  • Fisherman
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    edited January 2021 #236

    Read the Zealots and you will see they refer to Wolves,Lynx and other species. I have no wish to see any other animals reintroduced. We have enough trouble with native species like Foxes and Badgers thanks to the monied minority who have hijacked that agenda.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #237

    You've got me there, read what? Could you give the author and some background? Is it a factual book? 

    If you don't want them reintroduced and wolves (and your other high end predators) have been gone for many centuries, why say  How safe would you be in your vans and walking about with Wolves and other high end predators about. 

     

     

  • LLM
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    edited January 2021 #239

    surprised Sheep dipping!  When was that? laughing

  • Fisherman
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    edited January 2021 #240

    Glad you agree with me takethe dogalong.Its not us farmers causing the friction but these so called "celebrities" and  monied people from Hampshire urban areas trying to force the agenda. Of course they dont own any land themselves so its easy to pontificate. We farmers have enough on just trying to make a living and looking after the countryside in our small ways.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited January 2021 #241

    Most of us know real Farmers & respect their stewardship & tireless devotion unfortunately within your community are the Cuckoos, they walk like you, talk like you & profess to be you whilst destroying the very brand you have made & cherish. You are mainly anonymous & we respect you & your work, the pretenders like to howl & bark at everyone plus spread fake news, they are pushing the rightful Farmers out of the nest.