Cayton Village Redevelopment
The plans for the redevelopment of Cayton Village site have been submitted to Scarborough Council (19/01463/FL)
Cayton Village Caravan And Motorhome Club Site Mill Lane Cayton Scarborough YO113NN
Proposal Reconfiguration of existing site to provide 207 caravan and motorhome pitches, 12 glamping pods and 12 tent pitches with 2 no. toilet blocks, additional warden compounds, garage and store, 2no. water booster systems and play area. Associated alterations to site roads, landscaping, car parking and site security barriers.
No storage which is a disappointment, other than that I'm looking forward to visiting, but when?
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Following the purchase of the site in 2018, the Club plans to redevelop the site over the winter 2019/2020 period (subject to planning consent).
The site will close on 3 November 2019 and we will bring you more news as this exciting project moves forward. We plan to re-open the site towards the end of July 2020 and look forward to welcoming you back or making you welcome on your first visit to this popular part of the country.
What we are planning:
To replace the existing pitch setup with a variety of brand new pitch types and a new layout scheme on both parts of the site.
Upon completion the plan is to have an increase in touring pitches, provision of camping pitches and a number of brand new 'glamping' accommodation units, improved infrastructure, new facilities buildings and a brand new childrens' play areaI look forward to going once it's up to standard.
The camping pods at Coniston were well used (many like us with family/friends on the site) and bring in extra income from those without a caravan/MH?
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Just had a quick look at the plans and it looks as the designers are making the same mistakes as ever.
When will they realise that the most direct route from Point A ( any pitch) to Point B (toilet block) is a straight line. No one will walk all around the perimeter on the roads, (doubling the distance) if there is a more obvious shorter direct route.
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That doesn't make sense burt at all.
You are talking about walking but you forget that the road are necessary for caravans and MH to actually get to a pitch? And of course pitches are put in along the roads. It is a fact of life on camping sites.
And no one? perhaps a minority of rude people will try and walk across pitches but many will walk on roads.
Could you post a link to a site where your idea actually happens?
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I am well aware that cars and caravans need roads but the vast majority of people are expected to walk to the facilities. It is just human nature that pedestrians will normally take the shortest route no matter what designers want. Obviously if the shortest route is impeded by fences/ponds/flower beds this might not be easy.
Many complaints have been made over the design at Southport where pedestrians take a direct route to the facilities across one of the pitches -this should have been foreseen at the design stage.
Have a look at the location plan of the new site and explain to me if the following proposed pedestrian routes make sense
Lower Caravan site - Why is there no short cut from just above the upper non awning campervan pitch to the dog wash at the rear of the facility building. Do you really expect members to walk all the way around the roadway.
Laurels Upper Caravan. The members using the pitches at the top right area are expected to walk on a circuitous route to the facilities instead of a crossover point being provided to connect to the roadway to the left and then walking down the dead end and then another footpath to intersect with the side wall of the facility block.
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well Burt I'm glad you have taken such an interest in club sites and their design and problems at them.
Where are these many complaints about the Southport site? I've had a quick look at the reviews and couldn't find anything about what you described? Have you been there and experienced such problems?
Could you post a link to the plans so that we can all share what you are trying to say as it difficult to visualize what you are trying to say? Or indeed how long these circuitous routes are
Like I said I am pleased you're taking so much notice, are you planing to go there? Perhaps you should write in to the club with your suggestions before any building work takes place?
But personally they make sense, it is a caravan/MH site after all and really walking around a site is never that onerous is it? Perhaps a few extra minutes for these circuitous routes but you (one) is supposed to be on holiday.
There are always people who don't have enough manners to walk where they are supposed to but I doubt it is no one who will not walk where they are supposed to?
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Corners, Here is the link to the main site for Scarborough Planning applications Planning - then Press the blue box and then enter the reference number 19/01463/FL
View the proposed site plan and all will be revealed.
It always pays to look at the proposals before shooting the messenger.
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Mmm, but sometimes shooting the messenger can be fun😉
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but you weren't just being a messenger, you were pronouncing judgement on the message - When will they realise...
and that is what I was replying to.
Any other clubs sites you've been to where you have found the same problems you describe?
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+1
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I have indeed looked and I really can't see these circuitous route as you describe at all. There is no direct way and in all it is about 15 pitch lengths, hardly a major trek is it? A few minutes?
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Not many would dream of "invading"some one else's pitch, but as here the grass pitches are so well spaced out that there is plenty of "walk through"without ,and the grass pitches in the centre have to pass between pitches to get to the loos
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And do you think that is acceptable? To walk on grass, churn it up perhaps? To save oneself a few minutes walk?
If it was a pie van then maybe
But interestingly there are no grass pitches on the proposed plan?
However it does talk of super service pitches - well done club (for me anyway)
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Indeed but firstly you were talking about the upper level not the lower level and that's what I was referring to, then you wrote:
grass pitches are so well spaced out that there is plenty of "walk through"without ,and the grass pitches in the centre have to pass between pitches to get to the loos
Except according to the site plan there is no loos anywhere near these grass pitches and therefore no need to cut through them? They adjoin the tent area on one side and the pod area on the other side. The most direct route to the TB is along the site road.
Why did you mention cutting through them to get to the loos?
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But more interestingly it does say a non awning campervan area!
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that will be interesting to watch out for, it may indeed happen but what would be the rationale, non awning pitches are the same price now so why charge less? Unless they are considerably smaller and/or to capture the 'campervan market' - is there one?
Another re-brand The caravan, campervan and motorhome club? CCAMC?
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Do you think that we will probably see non awning campervan pitches at a lower price?
Well we were promised a new booking experience, whether it included changes to the pricing structure is anyones guess. Only the Club knows and they are unlikely to communicate anything to members until all the ITs are dotted and crossed.
peedee
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l thought we were all on holiday or taking a short break, l always take the road, nice leisurely morning walk to the block. The only exception was early this year when l had just finished Brachytherapy and Radiotherapy, needing the toilet urgently so we booked a pitch near the blocks, now back to normal and enjoy my early morning walk. No one should walk across someones pitch its like walking through someone's property.
Heethers
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We hear much of the grass fingers between pitches - "no mans land". If short cuts are required, these would not impinge on a user's pitch. Are we making mountains out of molehills here? Personally, it helps towards my 10,000 steps, a target I infrequently reach.
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When I put the information on the forum I did so because there has been much speculation about the redevelopment and when it would take place.
I actually thought members would be happy that the changes were in hand and getting a superb site, catering for all needs and broadening our church to include non caravanners, many of whom are unable to tow due to driving licence restrictions. The site has amazing public transport link both north and south.
Incidentally, neither the local parish council or highways raised any objections, which in the case of the parish council is encouraging when the C&MC withdrew its support of Cayton in Bloom.
Instead all members seem to concerned about is getting to the toilet block the shortest way, its true the planners dropped a clanger at Bridlington from the lower section, now rectified. Crossing someones pith for what ever reason is rank bad manners.
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the club already has 'economy pitches' but not currently in amongst 'normal' full priced awning/non-awning pitches and more expensive service pitches.
i don't see why a new development couldn't have pitches that span a price range, based on the service offering.
if SPs cost £3.90 more than 'std' pitches for a tap and a grey waste point, why can't an 'economy' pitch be sold at a reduced price if it were (say) non EHU and smaller.
as pointed out before, CCC offers the opportunity for customers to take this type of cheaper pitch amongst its other full priced pitches.
a 'new booking experience' may refer to the actual booking process or to the range of products on offer, we will have to wait and see.
certainly, there is a shift in the MH market with the huge rise in campervan/PVC sales and astute touring providers will have noticed this and be looking at their offering and deciding if it is what this burgeoning market requires.
watch this space, perhaps?
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you wouldn't, which is why, currently, many choose an awning pitch over a non-awning as there is the perception that they are larger, and you generally get more choice.
In my post, I suggested the economy pitches (perhaps smaller, perhaps non-EHU) would be at a reduced price.
if these were £5-£8 cheaper they might be attractive, especially as small vans (even like ours) have loads of space on a normal pitch, mainly due to the fact we don't have an awning or a car or a pup tent or other extraneous kit.
weve certainly had one or two nights on pretty small pitches and not felt crowded, mainly because, when touring, we aren't looking to spend loads of time sitting around...
now, a destination site is different, I want lots of room, services, sunshine.....different times/places, different requirements.
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