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  • JVB66
    JVB66 Forum Participant Posts: 22,892
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    edited June 2019 #32

    And that sort of info it seems, is common knowledge, and is similar on ccc sites? But will it help stop some posters "questioning"site prices as on top of the salaries, are the other large operating costs of running a big business 

  • moulesy
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    edited June 2019 #33

    "But will it help stop some posters "questioning"site prices"

    I think you know the answer to that, silly boy! laughing

  • JVB66
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    edited June 2019 #34

    You can please some of the people all of the time except on here when some will not be pleased with anything especially if it this club or most anything ukundecided

  • Cornersteady
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    edited June 2019 #35

    but yet there is that strange phenomenon where people complain and yet still use club sites extensively?

  • MikeyA
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    edited June 2019 #36

    As always Google is your friend -

    UK minimum wage is        1453 euros /month

    France minimum wage      1521 euros/month

    Which country is therefore paying its wardens  "peanuts"?

  • young thomas
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    edited June 2019 #37

    to put the 'high employment cost' into some pitch related perspective....

    100 pitches X £25 a night X 30 nights is £75,000 a month .....

    some sites might have more pitches or even more expensive ones so the take for some months might be as high as £100k or more.

    looking at the 'low salaries' of the wardens, a retired (non warden) person with a £40k pension might be deemed to be 'extremely comfortably off' even though their partner might be getting nothing (or much, much less) whereas a warden couple on £20k each are noted as being on minimum wage....don't see the real difference, yet perspective is all...

  • Wherenext
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    edited June 2019 #38

    The last couple of pages are fairly irrelevant.

    Chrissie refers to 2 CAMC sites so anything to do with abroad or independent sites is totally irrelevant to the thread. But we cannot answer because Chrissie hasn't provided details so for goodness sakes Chrissie put us all out of the misery of an Us v Them debate again and tell which flipping sites you are referring to. Thank you.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2019 #39

    It’s surely near impossible to draw any conclusions from that as it depends on the rate of taxation, cost of utilities, housing, pies and all manner of things as to which country actually provides a better income on its minimum wage. 

  • EasyT
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    edited June 2019 #40

    Difficult one to explain

  • huskydog
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    edited June 2019 #41

    Fair point ,but I thought wages were private between employer and employee.......

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited June 2019 #42

    Not really. As I said earlier, as a nation, we rarely kick up a fuss about the price of most commodities. That’s why you see so many adverts for market comparison sites, because folks often cannot be bothered to shop around for most things. Companies make pricing rather difficult to compare, couple this with a lethargic approach to good value and you have a captive market, and prices keep going up and up. 

    We consider our membership good value, but it’s the extras (CLs, off peak prices, MWD) that make it worth our while staying. Like Moulesy, we seldom use Club Sites at peak times, (unless we have a specific secondary reason) and lower our preferred average nightly spend by mixing our site stays with no facility sites, CLs and small private sites.

    Edit I was responding to ETs post earlier, sorry should have quoted it😁

  • EasyT
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    edited June 2019 #43

    We use a variety of sites. But our preference is CC sites overall whether facility or non-facility.

  • ChrissieR
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    edited June 2019 #44

    Wow, so many replies 😉 The sites concerned are Morn Hill and Rookesbury, the prices are for two adults 😄

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  • DaveCyn
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    edited June 2019 #46

    Have to admit that we look at Rallies, THS's, CL's/CS's now before even considering Club Sites. They are just getting way to expensive & lacking in value.

    We've just come off a rally on a commercial site in

    Cornwall. On site shop, chippy, pizzas, bar, cafe, shows, 2 swimming pools etc. All at £10.75 a night.

    Now moved onto a CL near Looe for a fortnight. Had we booked Looe site it would have been around £300.

    The CL is only £84 for the fortnight! Says it all!!!

  • huskydog
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    edited June 2019 #47

    "We go where we want and stay where we want with little or no regard for price"

    Thats what I do AD cool

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2019 #48

    Individuals’ salaries, yes, but not general pay scales.

    You can discover the pay scales for various jobs by grade,  such as the Civil Service, but not the actual pay Joe Bloggs receives. 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited June 2019 #49

    well a quick look shows them to be quite different, one has all grass (so it could cost £1 and it still wouldn't get my custom) the other a mixture with half HS.

    One has more recreational facilities, large play field, and storage facilities which adds to the workload and leads to having more wardens perhaps? And tent pitches which again add to the workload? Also a baby toddler room as well.

    Not conclusive but a good guide to the differing prices I would think? 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited June 2019 #50

    yes, you find the salaries for teachers for example quite easily. Everyone can find out what a NQT will start on.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited June 2019 #51

    disparity in rates...

    Indeed and I think being in different countries being a significant factor David.

    And there are sites over there that are far more expensive than anything the club has, so it works both ways?

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  • JVB66
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    edited June 2019 #53

    I think your post speaks volumes about club sites at peak times even in your "younger days" being full with people maybe less able than you (your post)to pay for them, you then try to compare what you do now with today's costs at club sites which is compleatly out of contextundecided

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  • JVB66
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    edited June 2019 #55

    The two sites are like chalk and cheese as far as club site are concerned,  and Morn Hill being a site that is in serious  need of an upgrade (hence the pricing)but will not have the necessary money invested until the local council who own the top half and is on an annual lease,have stopped sitting on their hands as to whether they are going to use it for a traveller site or sell/give long lease tothe club

  • JVB66
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    edited June 2019 #57

    Just answering your strange ideas of site usage past and presentsurprised

  • Wildwood
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    edited June 2019 #58

    If club sites are full in peak periods, then the rate charged can be justified. If they are not full then the charge will probably be too high although there are other factors at work.

    The sites do not make massive profits so the prices must reflect the running costs although more popular ones do apparantly subsidise some less popular ones. The clubs accounts can be seen by all of us in the magazine and there is no evidence that I can see of profiteering in them.  

  • EmilysDad
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    edited June 2019 #59
  • cyberyacht
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    edited June 2019 #60

    AD is merely expressing a desire to get "bang for his buck". Give him a break.

  • young thomas
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    edited June 2019 #61

    agreed, we all have our own levels of 'value' and it's pretty obvious that AD, and some others who tour away from Club sites feel they get it elsewhere....

    of course we can all find an example of a site (anywhere) that is 'expensive' just to make a point...I've been to Concierge Camping, just for the hell of it as I was in the Chichester area...it was great, we loved it, whould I go back at the prices they charged? possibly, but certainly not regularly....too expensive to be great 'value' for us, although it may be for others.

    club sites are lower priced and may be perceived as giving better 'value' than a site like Concierge....however, when compared to the sort of site AD and others make use of regularly, IMHO the club is a long way behind in what it delivers for the money.

    yes, I use them from time to time, but touring (for the length of time we do) would be mightily expensive on club sites, whereas we get much more in the way of facilities when away and for around 50-60% of the price.

    after three months away the return ferry costs amount to about £3 a day, this is easily matched (and well beaten) by the site savings.....

    so 'value' at home on CC sites, not for us ...