Operating a Bailey Advance without hookup

Prescot46
Prescot46 Forum Participant Posts: 70
edited April 2019 in Motorhomes #1

I have a Bailey Advance 76-4 with the Seattle Control Panel and the Truma CP Plus panel.  I cannot work out how to operate the CP Plus functions when not hooked up to the mains.  What I need a step by step guide.  Anyone help?

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  • young thomas
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    edited April 2019 #2

    I know nothing of the Seattle control panel...is it supposed to interface with the Truma cp?..

    what you need to do is on the heating menu select gas as the fuel and then the fan speed (Eco or high) and then ensure the thermostat is turned up...

    it may be that the Seattle control panel needs to be ON as you need a 12v supply for the heater fan...

    good luck.

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited April 2019 #3

    As BB suggests you need the 12v on which on the Seattle Control panel is "Master On". You should then be able to scroll through the menu on the iNet screen to Gas (cylinder icon). Once selected it should solid black rather than outline black. Once the temperature is set  the gas cylinder symbol will flash until it reaches the temperature set.

    David

  • young thomas
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    edited April 2019 #4

    actually, it's not the gas bottle that should flash (this is the fuel mode selected -gas) it's the 'flame' symbol above the picture of the motorhome (which represents the habitation area) that should flash until the required temp is reached.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited April 2019 #5

    It’s worth remembering that the flashing flame indicates heating by any fuel and not just gas. 

    My biggest problem is forgetting to ‘OK’ a setting and then wondering why it doesn’t work. 😄

  • Prescot46
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    edited April 2019 #6

    The sequence is

    Switch on the Master Control Panel (Seattle).

    Fill the combi boiler with water.

    Switch on the Truma CP Plus Control Panel.

    Set the energy source to Gas.

    If hot air heating is needed set the Van temperature (Flashing Van symbol) to the desired level.  If no heating is required i.e. during the summer leave this off.

    Set the water temperature to the desired level 

    and it all should work?

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited April 2019 #8

    We get an error code if we forget to turn the Truma panel off before disconnecting the EHU. Quite scary the first time it happened. 

  • Prescot46
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    edited April 2019 #9

    My initial request was prompted by various error messages appearing on the CP Plus  and having difficulty using the reset function.  One thing seems to be that there is a delay after prompting a reset so patience is in the order.

    My previous post regarding use without the electric hookup was a question for the experienced users of this system.  As I understand it to get the combi boiler to work and get heat/hot water when there is no mains electricity I should

    Switch on the Master Control Panel (Seattle).

    Fill the combi boiler with water and turn on the gas.

    Switch on the Truma CP Plus Control Panel.

    Set the energy source to Gas.

    If hot air heating is needed set the Van temperature (Flashing Van symbol) to the desired level.  If no heating is required i.e. during the summer leave this off.

    Set the water temperature to the desired level and the flame symbol above the water temperature should flash until the temperature has been reached.

    Please correct me if I have got the sequence wrong.

  • young thomas
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    edited April 2019 #10

    I guess it would be something like 'mains supply interrupted' which you would probably also get if the breaker tripped and the Truma was set to electric.

    no different, I guess, to the fridge light flashing if there's a power cut or the supply voltage drops too low..

  • young thomas
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    edited April 2019 #11

    you seem to have things sorted, but you need to be aware that, due to the design of the unit (a water jacket surrounding a furnace with a hot air supply in between) if you have hot water AND heating selected, it will impact greatly on the water heat up time.

    with a typical 1800w electric setting, this will move from around 20 mins (with hot water only) to (possibly) 80 mins to reach 60. deg.

    heres a tip for having hot water (for a shower) and a warm van on a chilly morning...

    (once you've mastered the timer settings) set the water to come on for 20-30 mins, then set the heating to come on for a while before you need to get up...

    the water will heat quickly (single function) and then the heating function will maintain the water temperature whilst heating the van...(hot water is a by product of the heating function).

    if you select water and heat, it will be a long time before the water is fully hot.

    we've had CP plus versions in our last two vans (covering four years) and IMHO they are light years better than the old 'twin dial' units we had before.

    good luck.

  • Prescot46
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    edited July 2019 #12

    Took the plunge. Currently touring In France. Joined an organisation called French Passion. This gives you access to hundreds of off-grid sites. There is no charge to use these sites - the majority have no facilities other than access to water.  Stayed on a vineyard south of Blois. Owners very friendly. Invited for a wine tasting and ended up buying a half case of wine.  Whilst there is no obligation to buy it was a great opportunity to buy direct from the producer. 

    Fridge & water heater worked perfectly on the gas - it was so simple.

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited July 2019 #13

    Prescot

    Glad everything worked out for you and you had a good time. The Truma electronic control panel is great but it does take a bit of getting used to. We have the Alliance and it took me a while to work out the controls.

    David 

  • Prescot46
    Prescot46 Forum Participant Posts: 70
    edited July 2019 #14

    It took me nearly 6 months to be able to operate it without fault codes appearing and having to reset each time. Then, I discovered the solution - patience.  Now it works every time!!

  • young thomas
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    edited July 2019 #15

    well done, we've also found the system to be very reliable, none of the regular errors we used to get with the older combi 4E.

    a couple of weeks off gridding from tomorrow somthe gas will get a good workout....

    as it happens, I still have a 11kg Spanish Repsol bottle last exchanged in March and it simply refuses to run out.....running for many days now on vapour....smile

    i also have a full Gaslow on board but have just been waiting for the switchover.....the Repsol terrific value at €14 or so...