Dogs and Touring
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And they don't charge for your dogs either
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Good point, but that what's the makes club so popular, no charge for dogs, awnings, extra cars in the car park, pup tents.
Still a good idea of yours to charge for dogs, if it happens I hope you get the credit.
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Not in the car park as I said, only if on your pitch.
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A plea now lockdown is easing. There has been an upsurge in sheep killing by dogs over the last few days. Seven on the Lleyn Peninsular. ALWAYS,ALWAYS have your dog on a lead in sheep country even if you dont actually see any. Farmers are more vigilant and will take appropriate action with the law on their side.
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Fully support that plea - we've been walking in the Yorkshire Dales this week and it's the first time Ralph has come across sheep - he gets very worked up when we pass them so he's on an extremely short lead until we get past - he will doubtless learn in time the same way all the others have done. I've lost count of the number of dogs we've seen off the lead - presumably perfectly well behaved 99% of the time but I'd dread to be responsible for that other 1%. To me it's just not worth taking the chance.
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Hope the farmers deal with them robustly. Farming is hard enough without having to deal with a plague of pampered pooches ripping the throats out of their sheep. However, as far as expecting some owners to keep dogs on a lead - good luck with that!
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We have always had border collies, and considering their background ,out of the four including our latest Rosa they have all acted differently around sheep,
1 Spring (male)was our only pup, would round anything up ,so a tight hold when near sheep
2 Noel (born Xmas day) we had him at 19months ,(rescued from a breeder )just loved humans only and ignored sheep ,untill we took him to a country show, and a shepherd let him loose with some sheep, had to keep him on short lead in the lakes
3 Kizz our first rescue from Ireland, scared of sheep
4 Rosa our present Irish rescue, ignored sheep until last year in Wenslydale, when watching a shepherd demonstrating his dogs, when she decided she could do better, as the shepherd said , most dogs especially collies will be fine arround sheep or cattle but it just takes a second for them to revert to their instinct (of a wolf)for them to change
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+1 about the short lead
Not only with sheep, but cyclists too. I was reading of a horrific accident on a cycle path I use caused by a dog running out across a cyclist's path on a retractable lead, the dog missed the cyclist but the lead caught the bike and caused the cyclist to go over his bike with some very severe injuries.
I've had a close call with one owner who was jogging with earphones while her dog was a good way behind her. Luckily I manged to stop in time when it ran at me as I had slowed down significantly.
Like you say, 99% of the time there is no problem
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Removed.
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There is a maintenance cost to the Club of having dogs on site, so expecting dog owners to pay, say a pound or two a night seems reasonable
The savings of not having to put the dog / dogs in kennels. would easily cover such a charge.1 -
While I'm sure most people would happily pay a sensible fee to take their dogs on site, don't lose sight of the fact that accepting dogs foc is a bit of a loss leader to the club as dogs bring with them humans, caravans and MHs. In short, the club generates business by accepting dogs foc.
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That really does not stand scrutiny, all the private sites i have been on charged a fee , and there was no shortage of dog owners on those sites,
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I think you would find a mass exodus of members if the Club applied some of the ill informed suggestions being bandied around (again🙄) on this thread. The Club knows it’s main demographic target, and as such hits the gold area for most of the time.
The only thing I would add is that the Club should come down harder on the tiny minority that don’t adhere to Site rules, be it for dogs, children, and excessive noise. But this can happen on any Site, Club or not, it just needs reinforcing more on Club Sites at certain times.
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I think the cost of such maintenance is minimal in the grand scheme of costs for a club site, and anyway it is included in the prices.
What you are forgetting is, just like reduced or free prices for children, that having no charge for dogs is a business tool that the club knows will bring in more paying campers.
As you have said, club sites are usually difficult to book, why would the club risk that and all the income by charging for dogs?
And to what purpose? Club sites seen happy places.
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You comment ,that having no charge for dogs is a business tool that the club knows will bring in more paying campers, does no stand scrutiny, every private site which charges a nominal amount for dogs, dog ownership is just as high
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yes, sorry didn't see you had made that point too TW
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I didn't have a signal in the cottage yesterday so I'm not sure what has caused the swathe of deletions!
So, hopefully, to restart the thread and follow on from Fisherman's plea on a positive note, I've been really impressed with the way Ralph has learned to walk across farml and this week. It was his first experience of sheep and he started the week really frantic around them, so much so that at one point I had to use 2 leads to control him. But by the end of the week, still on the 2 leads he was able to walk under control, stopping to look occasionally but without barking or lunging, even when there was a large group hanging around one of the gates we had to pass through.
It just needs a bit of patience and perseverance to educate dogs on "good manners" around livestock.
Now - the question is - will he have remembered all this by the time we head to the lakes in October?
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Well done with Ralph, M. A well trained dog is a delight.
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I wonder how many people on here are like Moulesy and myself who've taken on rescue dogs? I remember a CL owner saying that many of his visitors were typically retired, with 2 rescue dogs!
Rescue dogs often need a lot more training and socialising and it's good to see new owners putting in the extra effort!
Over the years as a family we've had dogs from all backgrounds and we've enjoyed them all.
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You are correct David and that was exactly the point I was making in response to Fisherman's plea. The risk is in assuming any dog (small or large) is incapable of misbehaving while being walked off the lead. Ours never are when livestock are around or likely to be around.
Unfortunately another poster has, yet again, chosen to post an ignorant antagonistic comment - it's a blatantly obvious attempt to provoke bad feeling which I have reported.
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We have taken on rescue dogs, and they do require a lot of retraining, either that or you make certain that whatever risks they might pose to either other humans or animals is minimised fully.
We have also come across a dog attacking sheep, and had no hesitation in finding a farmer to deal with it. And yes, he did take his gun. We didn’t stick around to see the outcome, as the incident was distressing enough.
There’s no doubt that there are some very very bad dog owners out there, and it makes me mad that at times it can end in in tragedy, usually for either some poor innocent human,child, or animal, but almost inevitably the dog.
But hating all dogs, and decrying good thoughtful owners like M isn’t nice. It’s discriminatory and smacks of a lack of understanding.
As for sheep not suffering, I would loathe to see any sheep attacked by a dog, dreadful. But I also understand how much they can suffer as part of the human food chain as well, so make sure the blinkers are fully off before polishing that caring halo SB.
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As Martin Clunes and others have said, it does not matter how small or large your dog is , they are all descended from wolves, and it only needs something to pull the trigger for any dog to go back to its ancestry,
The same with any "domesticated"animal
That can also apply to some humans
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We recently got back into the caravan post lockdiown...all of us humans were so excited-it's been months! What we didn't expect was the dogs delight too. She was tail wagging sniffing around the caracan, heads up at the site looking out of the car window as we pitched up and once in the pitch was on the sofa seat with her head out of the open window noseily watching the neighbours. I honestly didn't realise the dog missed caravanning as much as we did.
Did anyone else's dog visably get excited seeing the caravan or motor home again?
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