Why so many dogs and Inconsiderate owners??
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It's a big site TDA, with a long walk down to the entrance so it's good there is a dog walk for those that need it. The walk to the beach might be too far for some older dogs.
This post was put in the story section earlier today, hence my comments at the beginning of the thread. Virtually the same post appears as a review.
OP, How are we expected to react or respond to your complaints? Dog owners amongst us go on the defensive because on the whole we are responsible owners. What do you want to achieve that you couldn't achieve at the time on the site. I noted on one of my recent reviews someone who didn't bother to exercise their dogs in the correct area, I was disappointed to see it but I didn't let it spoil my holiday. But you are right it is selfish, lazy behaviour. Do you want to change the policies of the club? Go to the AGM to voice your views, write to the club, approach the wardens. Personally I think the club have got the balance right and we have to take responsibility if we see something we don't like by acting at the time otherwise it's just a complaint made too late. And by the way, if you segregate dogs you will still hear them, in fact it might be worse because some won't bother to think about others at all in their out of sight special area.
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Refreshing to read that, you as a non dog owner, have also not witnessed this alleged dire situation that keeps getting posted about.
I also agree with your view on making an additional nominal contribution to cover the additional facilities for those bringing Dogs with them.
A good post from someone with an open mind and no axe to grind,
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I've been a Club member for a very long time, can count membership in decades rather than years. In all that time, we have toured with at least one, but usually two or three dogs. To my knowledge, those dogs have never ever been a nuisance in terms of noise, pooing or anything to other members. Certainly we are not aware of any complaints. We seldom tether them up outside, and if we do one of us will be with them at all times. They have been raised from pups not to bark other than the odd hooray it's dinner time woof, they are given a decent amount of exercise every day, mainly away from sites as so few Club Sites have proper lengthy, safe dog walks, and we spend the vast majority of our time off site anyway. They are simply too tired to bother about anything when they are back from a walk, prefer just to go to sleep in the tourer.
If someone can please explain to me why I need to pay extra to take my dogs onto a Club Site then I will happily debate the point in a friendly way? What resources are they using other than a red painted bin?
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What split, what bad feeling, Broadside? I'm not aware of any unless it's yours.
This isn't a broadside at you necessarily, Broadside, but it amazes me that people perpetually moan about behaviour on site, be it dogs or anything else, yet continue to pay their membership fees and use the sites. Furthermore, they complain on here without speaking to the wardens or taking the matter up directly with the club. The conclusion I reach is that things can't be too bad really.
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My point was for the development of decent dog walking areas for first thing in the morning and last thing at night and wash points on all sites where possible. At the moment that is obviously not the case and doesn't warrant any extra charges. But should this change then I would be happy to pay a nominal fee for them, not the silly suggestion of £5 a night though. That's just plain silly and will see people not using club sites.
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I suppose it all hinges on what you consider a decent on site dog walk. Barnard Castle has a superb dog walk, an adjacent field of grass, well fenced and the Wardens mow walks through the grass to make walking easier. That is a real plus.
Other sites we have used, Durham Grange springs to mind, have a 75 metre or so track along back of a few pitches, muddy in the wet that is neither use nor ornament to anything larger than a chihuahua, and that would have to be on a lead! With a red bin though. We always walk our dogs off site there, down a footpath outside the barriers.
The only dog wash I have seen so far, was a cold hose next to the first service point at Yellowcraig, somewhat surplus to requirements as there is in fact a tap and pipe as you come off the beach before reaching the site. Interestingly, Yellowcraig's official site dog walk, a lovely field, I think with a path mown round, is next to a fabulous woodland walk, or the gorgeous beach walk. Touch of overkill there, but still a good resource!
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If someone can please explain to me why I need to pay extra to take my dogs onto a Club Site then I will happily debate the point in a friendly way? What resources are they using other than a red painted bin?
If a nominal charge was levied, it would have to be for all dog owners. Although you specifically may not use the facilities of the dog walk, clearly a lot do. It would be unrealistic to charge some owners and not others.
In my opinion a charge would not be unfair. The facility has to be provided and maintained, bins emptied etc. If a dog wash is provided. I believe the club are intending to increase the number of these. This is also at a cost.
Edit. seen dog washes at Brecon, Chatsworth and Clumber. All cold water, but properly constructed facilities. Not just a tap and hose.
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It's going the same way as it has in the past-the Dog haters spewing their rabid bile over many threads. Good caring Dog owners do their utmost not to hurt or inconvenience anyone, that will never appease the haters
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Sophistry comes to mind😃
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Another bone of contention post about man's best friend. 🐕
I notice the OP posted a similar post earlier , are they anti canine ! if so CMC sites may not be for them.
I won't mention it to our rescued westie ' Archie ' it'll put him right off his pedigree chum & he'll be scared for life . 🐺
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The last club site I was on was Burrs. No dog walk on site. No dog wash, poo bins or any of the other luxurious bits of infrastructure that people seem to think costs the club so much.
Dog waste had to be disposed of off site - there were signs near the bins that made it clear that such waste had to go in the bin in the country park.
Even a pound per night per dog would be too much
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Woof +1 🐩
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But there is a dog poo bin next to a green general bin about 20 feet from the site's barrier at the entrance to the main field in the country park next to the CC site.
The last site we were on had been refurbished & it had a dog shower. Never saw it being used during the week. 😕
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Have to agree, in 30 plus years of multiple dog ownership have never needed a dog shower. Waste of money. Good old fashioned bucket of warm water, by the van. Job done, dogs warm. In Summer? Thrown in sea or river, the joys of Labrador ownership!
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There is and it's no hardship to use it but it's not on the site and I assume it's provided and managed as part of the country park. No cost impact of dogs being on Burrs site other than the water they drink.
i don't mind paying for my dogs but I expect to see something for the fee.
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In all my time as a dog owning member I’ve never seen dog poo on a site. I’ve seen dogs doing their business and I’ve always seen owners pick it up, as I do. As far as I know that’s within the rules.
I readily admit that my dog doesn’t always make it to the dog walk to do her business, assuming there is one. I never let her mess on a pitch so if she gets caught short I ensure she’s on a path or the road. Obviously I can’t clear up the wee but poo is always picked up and placed in the appropriate bin. Again within the rules.
We only have the one dog but I’ve seen units with three, four and even more which I think is a bit much. Generally on foreign sites there is a limit to the number and that’s perhaps what the Club ought to consider. Alternatively no charge for the first but a charge for any subsequent dogs.
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The resistance of dog owners to a charge does not seem to take into consideration the cost, albeit not prohibitive, of the provision of a dog walk. It is not, IMHO, therefore unreasonable to levy a nominal charge where there is such provision.
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Been knocked over by 2 dogs in in the last couple of years, one was a young Lurcher type that jumped up my back whilst I was taken photo's. The owners excused his behaviour because he was young and playful, no apologies with me still on my knees. When I suggested that they had no control of their dog I was told to F*** off, which seems the stock answer when you complain to a lot of owners. Some Owners seem to become dyslexic when they get their pet. On nature reserves or open moorland with ground nesting birds the sign that says 'all dogs on leads' does apply to all dog owners. The answer isn't to ban dogs but to educate owners.
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Sadly, a charge won't make the slightest difference to the behaviour of a minority of dog owners. I was on a private site in Scotland recently where the rules stated dog owners who disregarded "dog rules" would be asked to leave immediately. Club site dog owners who don't behave appropriately are in a minority and the claims by the OP cause distress to responsible dog owners. Non of the things suggested will tackle the issues which need to be discussed with the wardens at the time if they are causing a problem.
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To answer the critics - I posted exactly the same comments on my site review to warn others about what you may experience and this was a factual report and factual comments about the dog owners that were on site when we were as their behaviour was unacceptable and spoilt what should have been an enjoyable relaxing stay.
To answer the comment about wardens. At Freshwater all staff were superb, friendly and professional and it was discussed with them, but it seems there is now a non confrontational approach to members and issues. However, if you do allow your dog to foul anywhere on sites, your pitch number and your name and membership number is reported to head office and if you get reported three times then your membership is cancelled so I guess that is progress.
Getting on the subject of dogs and children and noise will always stir emotions, I'm just highlighting a growing issue for non dog owners and maybe some of you could do more to make 'everyone's' holiday experience a little more peaceful.
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And although this response was downright rude ten people have clicked to say they like it.
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I agree, Brue. The full details weren't given at the beginning. Instead, a post telling half the story appeared which stirred up the usual debate and seemed to be the deliberate intent. There's a name for people who post in that manner.
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Can we ban those as well !!!
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