The big winter shut down
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what about....
4. retired and no ties but insufficient funds to go away when ever....
there are many of these who post on CT complaining about CC prices....threads and threads on a regular basis.
just because you're well off (as you oft relate) it doent mean that everyone can afford to pay CC prices.
they want to tour to enjoy their van, but just cant do days on end at £20 a night, hence they choose CLs or the competition.
if CC genuinely wants to attract more winter footfall, it has to target those who have the time but cant pay this level of fee.
it certainly isnt any good targetting the likes of those who wont be here anyway.........
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any chance of that in English?
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just because you're well off (as you oft relate) it doent mean that everyone can afford to pay CC prices.
Don't exaggerate. I am only comfortably off! And CLs are great. I have used them a lot in the past. I don't use them now as it takes more research. It probably costs us around £6,000 a year for 120 nights away; cost of providing caravan, additional fuel for towing etc and If I used CLs exclusively we might save £1,200. We don't need to.
if CC genuinely wants to attract more winter footfall, it has to target those who have the time but cant pay this level of fee.
CC only want to increase Winter footfall if it is economic. I personally doubt that it would be at the likely charge rates.
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The service points that already exist are in the body of the site. Not likely to be in areas of small 10 van 'aires'.
Payment for provision of EHU provision would be paid on entry, electric actually used as separate pay as you go as suggested. If EHU was 'all in' I suspect tha ta price near £18 would be likely.
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A lot of club sites have barriers and "late night" pitches. Why not make these available. Agree it is not an instant thing, and wont suit all sites. Needs some thinking and planning but, in the long term, for those who want to travel during the winter many more pitches could be made available by the Club. Another "Members Only" benefit as the membership card could be used to activate the payment machine/barrier control.
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The big difference between the CC providing a low cost alternative and the Aire type on the other side, is that the CC has to make it pay from revenue recieved. The CC derive no monies from spending in the local village or town. It is a totally different model, so any comparison is invalid.
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1. there would be no small special area....no fencing etc.....just an open site where vans can drive unhindered to the MHSP as now....no extra cost involved at all. only CC could set the level pf vans permitted on site, doesnt have to be a maximum of 10.....could be 50, or more if desired.
2. any electric would be sourced (and paid for) at the bollard, not on entry, at a price that included the rental of the bollard (which recivers the capital outlay).....so cost neutral....
anyone wanting a stay with no electric (and no shower block open and no warden to pay) should be looking at arounf a tenner.
anyone who wants ehu and this costs (say) £3 at the meter for the night, will pay £13 a night.....or anything in between....
its not difficult, the pitch costs xxx. any electric used is paid for...
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If that is what happens in other countries then so be it, but its no use trying to change your posts, to encompass what is not what this thread is about, and as those with some knowledge of how the UK is a completely different proposition to what the "rose tinted glasses" outlook of the tiny, it seems, minority, who may want the two major clubs and other organisations with seasonal sites to just keep them open unstaffed in case they want to use them ,with high investment, despite what some think, its not going to happen
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1. there would be no small special area....no fencing etc.....just an open site where vans can drive unhindered to the MHSP as now....no extra cost involved at all. only CC could set the level pf vans permitted on site, doesnt have to be a maximum of 10.....could be 50, or more if desire.
Cannot see that CC would want access to full site.
2. any electric would be sourced (and paid for) at the bollard, not on entry, at a price that included the rental of the bollard (which recivers the capital outlay).....so cost neutral....
Cannot see that the cost of electric supply would be higher than the cost per unit. So EHU bollard would remain in pitch fee I have little doubt.
anyone wanting a stay with no electric (and no shower block open and no warden to pay) should be looking at around a tenner.
And would be best advised to look elsewhere BB
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Pearls before swine BB I'm afraid. Some folk just don't like change. 'Progress, new ideas, changes'?, we don't do that here
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BB
I appreciate that you are just flying a kite here but what you suggest is just not going to happen. I don't think for one moment the Club would allow access to its campsites unsupervised without wardens in attendance. If wardens have to supervise the site they may as well open it in the normal way and charge standard fees. They are not going to introduce metered electricity, at some cost no doubt, on the off chance someone would use it.
The best way forward is to encourage the Club to experiment with opening more site during the winter months to try and judge the demand. We would be encouraged to visit more sites during the winter if there was more choice, particularly on sites which are near to good transport links or places of interest on the doorstep.
David
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The best way forward is to encourage the Club to experiment with opening more site during the winter months to try and judge the demand. We would be encouraged to visit more sites during the winter if there was more choice, particularly on sites which are near to good transport links or places of interest on the doorstep.
David
Perhaps they are David. I think Hawes always used to close at the beginning of January. I notice that information has been left blank on the details page. It would be an ideal one, close to a market town, not to harsh a climate and very popular area. It would lend itself to winter opening in that they could just open the half with the TB which contains 10 service pitches and about 40 usable standard pitches. I would keep those at the bottom empty as these could flood in a wet winter.
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We'd love to see more sites open for longer. We were going to go up to the highlands late september/early october, unfortunately the sites we wanted to visit close on 25 september so we've changed our plans. We also like going away for short visits during the winter especially during december when there's usually a lot going on, christmas markets etc. Its often a shame to find the nearest cmc site closed. Its ok saying go to cls but they don't always have hardstanding, we went to one near winchester one december where i had been assured there was hard standing if need be! I don't know where he hid it but luckily the ground was frozen solid.
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No need to limit the choice to Club sites and CLs. Lots of independent, privately owned sites do stay open and do have hard standing. Just widen your search!
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I think you have to consider the weather as well in certain areas. We have had a few mild Winters these last few years, but some places get snow as early as November, and if it is a bad one, hard frost and ice can last for weeks, and some folks are just not equipped to tour in such conditions. We are used to touring in snow and ice, but it doesn't make us complacent, we find an alternative area if what we want is looking a problem.
I suspect Beechwood Grange might be worth keeping open, even with Rowntree open all year. Still very close to York, and it is a very popular pre Christmas destination, with Castle Howard quite close as well. It did open when Rowntree flooded, I seem to recall?
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David, i actually agree with you....though i was 'exploring' options to alleviate the frustration felt in the OP and by others who think CC could do much more to attract winter traffic.
the thing is, with the club doing no more than extending opening hours (periods) isnt going to provide any realistic return, the plain truth (and we get it over and over again on CT) is that CC sites are way too expensive, especially in the off season.....
the only way the club will really see if there is a latent demand for good, clean, HS winter pitches, is to drop the price substantially (say £14 across the board on sites that dont normally open) and stand well back....
if theres a flood, gradually tweak the price until demand levels off...
if you have no takers (and a tenner really isnt doable) then call it a day.
trying to seel 'more of the same' at the same price (£20 odd) wont change a thing.
the thing that will cause it to fail is that the club cant/wont reduce its overheads (staff). their 'model' only pays when numbers are up, hence my suggestion of starting low and then fi ding the correct level...for club and customer.
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....i do try, Rock, i do try
in fact, very trying, no doubt
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just like skittles, Alan.....
I'll set 'em up, you knock 'em down
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Some of the sites not listed as open all year, are in fact only closed a few weeks. Bolton Abbey for example. Agree, Cornwall only has one AS site that stays open. But a lot shuts down in Cornwall anyway in Winter months, we have spent a few Winters down there, a totally different place. Some great Xmas events though.
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This is a plug for friends of our daughters, they run a motorhome only small site in Scotland, open all year. Just ten vans, £20 in high season and £15 in low season which starts quite early. It's in a beautiful coastal location south of Oban, pub and shop nearby. I wonder how many other small sites are already out there to complement CLs. Anyway here's a link. SEE HERE
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Good for them. I see they already have half a dozen glowing reviews in their listing on UKCampsite.co.uk - surely the source of all information for all the other small independent sites outside the CL range. Cornwall has lots of them - admittedly not Motorhome only - and these days the choice is far wider than Club Site, or CL, or somewhere "commercial". I hope your daughter's friends do well.
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