Toilet cleaning - a question
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wow, so cheap! I can't understand why more British people don't go there.
oh hang on yes I can
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what are the site fees normally? Actually it doesn't matter as it's the extra to site fees here that count not in some foreign field
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I think those that dismiss the comments made by people who have experience of a wide variety of European sites, makes an assumption that none of us caravan 'over here'. In fact we have a caravan on a small private members site close to our home in North Yorkshire, where the two toilet blocks aren't closed for cleaning. A condition of being a 'member' is that each caravan pitch occupier has to clean the toilet blocks a certain number of times per year. So having just done one of our duty toilet days on the day I saw this thread I felt qualified to comment.
Although my OH and I normally share the cleaning, I did both the gents and the ladies that day in the main block. There are three cubicles in the ladies, three basins in cubicles, three cubicles in the gents, plus urinal, and two basins, there is a disabled loo, five showers, and a hallway and 'shoe rack'. The other block with four loos, and handbasin, and two showers and basins, was done the following day. And we shall be doing them again shortly as we fit in our multiple duties during the times we are actually here.
No one bothers that the toilets are being cleaned - they just come and go, and the only difference is that a 'wet floor' sign has to be put up when the floors are being mopped.
I think it's interesting that because everyone has an interest in keeping the toilet block clean I have seen absolutely none of the quite disgusting things that I've seen elsewhere on some British sites including one of the Caravan Club sites we used to visit.
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Val - I think the problem is that, as soon as folk try to divert threads like this into an "it's soooo much better and soooo much cheaper" "over there", it just gets other folk's hackles up!
Let's be honest, there are good and bad practices, clean and filthy facilities wherever you go. I'm willing to bet even your private members site facilities aren't always 100% spotless all the time.
The thread was started as a question about why CAMC toilet blocks have to be closed for cleaning. The answer seems to be that it's common practice on most sites, both main clubs or commercial in this country. Even CLs with toilets and showers seem to do the same thing. That's just the way it is.
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That sounds an interesting arrangement,and by your post cleaned every other day,maybe the clubs could adopt the idea and make it part of their joining process to clean the toilet blocks,then the on site staff would just need to roster the members,and doing them every other day it could then help keep costs down with only half the cleaning materials needed and with all the members on big sites at busy times they would be done in five minutes,
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People describe how it's done in Europe simply because there are numerous 'die hard' regular posters on here who seem to think that there is only one way to operate a site and that is the CAMC way.......because that's the only way they have ever seen it done.
It seems odd that it "gets folk's hackles up" to be shown another way, but I agree that it clearly does. Are they so protective of the CAMC that they cannot abide the fact that there are better ways of doing some things?
It may well be common practise to close facilities to clean them in this country, but that certainly doesn't mean that it's the best way to do it. Only that some people cannot accept change. Or maybe cannot accept that maybe, just maybe, CAMC could do it better.
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The pale marble toilet block at one 16 euro site in Spain - where the resident cleaner can be seen in the doorway inside the entrance 'foyer' on the left.
The children's area of the same sanitary block
And the 'general basins' (there is a greater number in cubicles).
I won't post pictures of the showers or the loos, but you can see that things are definitely 'done differently' over there.
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I'd look through my collection of photos of toilet blocks and basins .... oh, hang on, I don't take photos of those!
But I'm sure there must be as many sites "over there" whose facilities you wouldn't want to post photos of, Val.
I just find it rather disappointing that yet another thread has been dragged down this "it's all so much better over there" diversion - do folk who go "over there" really do so because of the brilliant toilets?
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The really "sad" thing is they also do not seem to understand that,we who have also have been there and done it,but now longer can be bothered to drive long distances,really do not care as we are more than satisfied with what we normally find on either clubs sites "over here"
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Have to agree, also it is totally irrelevant to compare prices and working habits to sites here. Different economics different working rules.This is where club sites are. Yes it is cheaper over there and if I lived in France then hooray. But no matter how cheap they are and how brilliant, how many times they are cleaned, it will still cost a lot more more money to visit them than sites an hour away that I can visit each weekend. That's my gripe when people start saying how cheap it is over there. Add in the cost to get to them (petrol, ferries) and it isn't.
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JVB66: Fully open, in full use, and taken in late May 2014, and the block is never closed for cleaning. It has a cleaner in permanent place in the block, who cleans as and where it's necessary, as and when it's necessary.
Moulesy: "Other" ways, Ian, are not necessarily "better" ways, they are just "different" ways.
I don't remember saying in my post that they were better - I presumed you meant that were all entitled to say why we prefer to do things 'differently' (in whatever way we choose).
And yes, toilet facilities are so important to us that if they aren't excellent we will move on elsewhere! We have done that on perhaps half a dozen occasions in thirty-seven years.
And it really really isn't about how cheap, or how much better, it's simply to point out the differences! This is a thread about toilet cleaning so I just wanted to show how it's done in some campsites - wherever those campsites might be.
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Yes I agree, in my youth it was fun to drive, or take the train to Italy. Now if I'm going abroad I fly
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Now if we want a cheap few days "over there" we can be in Paris or Brussels in about five hours door to door,without flying
Last long distance "over there" trip for us was two years ago when we left our house at 1200 hrs and were in our hotel in Lake Guarda at 1700 the following day after a lovely evening and night in Paris,still without flying
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And while we are on the maths lets not forget statutory time off. I think that's at a minimum of one day a week. That's the equivalent of 4 'person' days off a week on a two couple site at that minimum. And then in that working day described there are those statutory beaks too which have to be taken into account. Everyone needs a 'comfort break' don't they!
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