Safefill 10Kg
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I have to correct your statement 'There is no difference.' when you are comparing Safefill and Gaslow. Safefill is filled direct to the container whilst Gaslow is filled via a external filler kit which is fixed to the vehicle. That is the difference and
that is why Gaslow (and its like) are generally accepted at filling stations. That appears to be the specific problem when you look at the industry guidelines, which will not be changing. I would want Safefill to be accepted but its the issue about availablity
of refilling which is stopping me going down that route.interestingly, Gaslow (widely accepted as the market leaders in MH refillable LPG solutions, we have this....) have come up with a direct competitor for Safefill, called 'direct fill'.
gaslow has, in the past, sold their units with an external filler point which could be fitted into the side of a MH bodywork, a cill, or even inside a locker on a bracket....
it seems they are now targetting thr caravan market where a cylinder can be taken to a fill point by car.....
would they invest in this sector (and the tooling for the solution) if they hadnt got some sort of green light from the appropriate bodies?
http://www.gaslowdirect.com/Gaslow-11kg-Direct-Fill-Cylinder-Kit
ps...not sure if previously mentioned but refillables come into their own if touring abroad where only a cheap local adaptor is required to allow filling at a pump in france/spain etc....
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Which tends to prove BB that the big two are desperate to hang on to their cylinder business in this country. If it's OK in France, why not here? Because the big two don't want it - that's why!!! Nothing to do with H and S- load of bunkem!! Power to the
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but to most like me they are an absolute Godsend. Power to the people!!
I agree that they are a bonus to some. But not to most caravanners. With less people seeming to retrofit plg to cars there seems a lessening demand for lpg pumps. I used to see lpg pumps in regular usage but rarely now see them used. I don't know if there is alocality variance? If everybody wanted the service I suspect that some outfit would provide.
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Refilable cylinders are fine if you use a lot of gas,,to get a return on the initial set up costs but if like us and and what seems the majority of Leisure Vehicle users the orange umbilical is the king,we have just last week put a fresh 6kg lite,(only carry one)on after 16 months since last refill with 183 +nights away
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I've just installed a Gaslow system (it took me an hour) purely for when abroad where I do 80% of my touring. I like to relax on tour and I certainly don't want the irritation of having to negotiate with a garage cashier as to whether he/she will allow me to fill my 'unsecured' gas bottles or not.
BTW - I do wonder with all the Hoo-Hah about diesel emissions if we'll be seeing more LPG fuelled vehicles on the roads.
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I spoke to neil, the M.D. at safefill last week, he told me he has had meetings with the C.C. and a lot of other people
The bigest problm is rip off calor, they dont like compitition
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I bought a Safefill 5 years ago, mainly because I got fed up of chopping in 1/2 empty calor cylinders before going abroad. My use of gas was probably moderate but on balance worth doing. What really has benefitted me is having a new van with Alde heating and I am relaxed in letting it use dual fuel given especially it at the cool,end of the season. Used probably a third of a cylinder over 3 days....do I give a jot...NO.
The other advantage is I'm having a nightmare with with heavy noseweight and having only one cylinder helps.
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When I had a Land Rover running on LPG the only bit of the system that was checked during the MOT was the dual fuel switchover valve, as it was part of the petrol fuel system. That was a few years ago, and things might have changed, but I think Morrisons are on the waffle!
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That's a setback for Merve's campaign although how they differentiate between an LPG fuelled car and a MH topping up his gas I'm not entirely sure. Perhaps we should start a caravanners/motorhomes boycott of Morrisons for fuel AND groceries.
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Would be interesting to know exactly with what authority "Tom" speaks ie his full name and position in the organisation.
Wonder what his manager thinks about him replying to a customer as "Tom". Very unprofessional and I suspect he is not far up the food chain. (Joke)
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Possible but I doubt it. These descisions tend to be made upon the balance of overall evidence. Do it wrong and you can set yourself on fire from the Petrol pump.
Would like someone (in a qualified capacity) at Morrisons to explain their position. Not totally convinced "Tom" is that person.
I understand the forecourt bible (the Red Book) has recently been amended and objections to standalone cylinders fitted with overflow safety systems have been withdrawn. Can anyone confirm this?
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That link leads to some sort of spam hijacking.
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Funny how different countries have entirely different views on safety issues. When we were in New Zealand this year and stopped for Petrol we saw people bringing their gas cylinders in, standing them by the refill pump and helping themselves.
We are fortunate to have a built in LPG tank with level monitor so it is very economic to fill up and no concerns about running out. The only issue for me is that in the 18 months we have had the Motorhome we have probably only used about 4kg of gas! That's in about 12 weeks of continental touring. Of course, we use ACSI sites a lot so electricity is included and we only go to places that are warm. Just back from Italy where we had 4 amps EHU but this was adequate for microwave, kettle and background heating for chilly mornings (but not all together).
For newcomers I think it is very important to consider the pros and cons of refillable cylinders which have been well presented on this and similar threads. If you use mainly Club sites or ACSI sites abroad then it is difficult to justify refillable cylinders but for CLs, winter touring etc. then they are well worth the investment.
For anybody buying conventional cylinders then Gaslight is by far the superior product provided you are near to a stockist such as Homebase. They are transparent so you can see the level, are lighter that Calor, have great grab handles and use a clip on connector.
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It starts there but is quickly taken over by a pop-up about an iPhone and a synthetic voice. As there is no "kill" button I take it as spam and close the tab.
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For anybody buying conventional cylinders then Gaslight is by far the superior product provided you are near to a stockist such as Homebase. They are transparent so you can see the level, are lighter that Calor, have great grab handles and use a clip on connector.
Doesn't even have to be Homebase, most Hire shops have a gas compound. My local in the next town supplied my initial 10kg bottle and gas, I just swap it in for another when empty and it's cheaper than Homebase.
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Indeed, they are far superior to the old fashioned Calor types.
The Gaslight cylinders are exactly the same as a Safefill but without the refilling bits. Even made by the same company. Again, they are the same as the French "Calypso" cylinders and one or two others I cannot recall the names of.
A well established product you might say.
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Morrisons stance could so simply be based on it not being reasonable for forecourt staff to have the expertise to know who are using appropriately designed bottles and who are using the direct fill adaptor on exchange bottles.
Even if they were trained do they want the hassle of breaking their primary cashier role to go and look at what kit you have, given the minimal sales volumes for our use?
Sadly, I feel it is the inevitable outcome from the use of unprotected filling practices and those using clandestine and dangerous practices of filling within the vehicle like as advocated here in the past, sneaking a refill by filling through a window.
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It would be nice if the club lobbied Morrisons on behalf of members who are disadvantaged and inconvenienced by their stance. I am aware it's unlikely to happen.
Still would like to see a proper response from Morrisons after the recent changes to the Red Book forecourt guide.
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Ocsid, you still can’t quite let it rest can you? What is the problem with turning the pump off until you have proved your equipmentis complicit with the law by bringing it to the cash desk?? Cameras and loud speakers on garage forecourts are not there as decoration. It is not beyond the wit of garages to put up signs and comply fully with safety standards. A car is obvious. A cylinder is not although I have to say that all of us would recognise a rental cylinder at a glance so it’s not beyond a thought that garage staff could do that to. It’s just about training. It’s the blanket ban on refilling cylinders that is the danger here. Not the methods used to fill a perfectly safe cylinder. I would however be the first one to stand alongside you to denounce the filling of rental cylinders which is totally criminal and dangerous. This practice has to be stamped out, and correctly constructed, safe to fill refillable cylinders can play their part in getting rid of this practice. For what it’s worth, I believe Morrisons will be the first supermarket to adopt the Safefill cylinder.
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Hi Fysh, the club won’t do that for one very simple reason. They sell Calor. They make money out of it and that’s what the club is interested in - money- not helping a section of ‘customers ‘ who will not add to their profits. However, every single person who owns a Safefill should be writing to Customer Services at Morrisons as I have done and I got a very positive response. Certainly one that gave me hope. Get those emails off now- it will happen, I’m sure.
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Indeed The Caravan Club do not sell Calor Gas - but Morrisons do!
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Sorry Easy , I don’t want to come across as taking it out of anyone - that certainly isn’t my intention but this conversation has been dragging on for months- actually, probably years. The fact is that Safefill is here to stay and more and more caravanners, campers and boaters are buying them. It would be a bad business move in my eyes not to train a cashier. It’s not rocket science after all. There are few gas powered cars now. Keep the pump switched off until someone wants to use it. If it’s a car, fine- if it’s a cylinder- a Safefill is so different to a rental cylinder in looks. All they have to do is prove it’s a Safefill. After a few weeks, the S/Stn staff would be very proficient at differentiating between a Safefill and a rental cylinder. The more people presenti them for filling the quicker this will take place. It may be small beer on one fill of a cylinder but many cylinders add up.
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they may have a contract wth calor to keep the on site bulk tanks topped up