Safefill 10Kg
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hi could anyone tell me if you need a different connecter in your caravan for the safefill bottles thinking of maybe getting one as we do about 5 weeks in summer off grid then a week in may we have the calor lite bottles they cost about £24 for refill which
works out quite expensive when your running it all off gas is there many places that will let you refill thanksWrite your comments here...I'm no expert as pretty new to caravanning, however I was just abel to change my calor to a safefill without changing any connectors. Having a small caravan, I just needed to be aware of the circumference size of the bottle and
(if I remember correctly) got the middle size. Cost about £7.50 fo fill last time
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Great choice! I just bought a new hose Stainless steel this time to avoid that bother the great thing with it is no spanner required just a "tap type" hand job. Just as well because my cylinder is quite large and spanner access near impossible! It is the same size as Calor by the way, the hose that is.
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Yes that's in the back of my mind so I had a look at the UKLPG
website and sure enough they are members but to balance it so are a number of other bodies including......the Caravan Club. But strangely Safefill are not members. Rather than waiting for somebody else to contact the Caravan Club I have emailed them just
now for advice.I did contact the Caravan Club Technical for advice. I've attached the response.
Thank you for your email.
In June 2007, the body then known as the LPGas Association, which has subsequently become UKLPG (the trade association for the LPG industry) issued revised advice on this topic, replacing their previous guidance which expressed similar concerns to those of
The Club. Following review by the Technical sub-Committee, The Club had adopted this advice and is still current. The key requirements are indicated below:
It is our advice that user owned, portable LPG cylinders should not be refilled at Autogas refuelling sites.
Vessels which are attached to a vehicle for heating or cooking (on camper vans or similar) present similar risks on filling to those for propulsion purposes and may be permitted to be re-filled at Autogas refuelling sites provided they:· remain in-situ for refilling; and
· are fitted with a device to physically prevent filling beyond 80%; and
· are connected to a fixed filling connector which is not part of the vessel.
In other words, cylinders which need to be removed from the caravan/motor caravan for refilling, and which are refilled directly from the nozzle of the LPG pump are still not recommended. However, cylinders which are in effect installed in the vehicle as a
fixed tank, which are refilled via an external filler connection, and which include an 80% stop valve to prevent over-filling are acceptable.
Equipment which meets these requirements is available from a number of different suppliers in the UK. A non-exhaustive list of these is:
Gaslow International Ltd,
Castle Business Park
Pavilion Way
Loughborough,
Leicestershire. LE11 5GW
Tel: 0845 4000 600
Fax: 0845 4000 700email: sales@gaslow.co.uk
www.gaslow.co.uk
MTH Gas Systems Ltd.
Castlemain Workshops
Yorkley Road
Parkend
Gloucestershire
GL15 4HHTel: 01594 563 538
www.mthautogas.co.uk/ note: website not working as of 30-10-08
RPi Engineering
Wayside Garage
Holt Road
Horsford
Norwich
Norfolk
NR10 3EE
Tel 01603 891209
Email info@rpiv8.com
Web. www.Gasrefill.com
In each case, it should be checked that the equipment being offered does comply with the recommendations above. Some companies sell a variety of systems, not all of which fully meet these guidelines. Eg RPi will sell a cylinder with an 80% stop valve, but with
an optional external filler kit. Such a system would only be acceptable if the external filler kit is bundled with it.
Warnings:
As with all gas-related systems, users should take care to follow all installation and use instructions, and take care when they use the system.
Under no circumstances should cylinders which are not designed for user refilling be refilled other than by the cylinder suppliers’ authorised agent. The availability of cheap kits to permit the refilling of Calor and other cylinders at Autogas refilling stations
must not be encouraged in any way, and it would be best if the existence of such equipment (for sale on eBay and elsewhere) is not acknowledged. In the event of enquirers asking about such equipment, the obvious safety concerns (principally, the lack of any
stop valve to prevent overfilling, nor any visible indication of how full the cylinder is (with most cylinders)) can be highlighted. Such refilling would also be in breach of the conditions of supply for the Calor (or other) cylinder, and thus illegal.0 -
Well Safefill have the 80% safety valve and i have absolutely no qualms about using mine. I have had more than my fair share of gas leaks with Calor system so I am very wary. That sounds a bit as though some PR needs to be done to update to modern equipment.
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Well Safefill have the 80% safety valve and i have absolutely no qualms about using mine. I have had more than my fair share of gas leaks with Calor system so I am very wary. That sounds a bit as though some PR needs to be done to update to modern equipment.
The issue of them being portable and with that the inherent dangers of toppling during recharging and so malfunctioning of the float operated overfilling protection device remains.
No amount of PR spin will overcome that fundamental issue though use of different technology in the function of an overfill protection might.
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Well Safefill have the 80% safety valve and i have absolutely no qualms about using mine. I have had more than my fair share of gas leaks with Calor system so I am very wary. That sounds a bit as though some PR needs to be done to update to modern equipment.
The issue of them being portable and with that the inherent dangers of toppling during recharging and so malfunctioning of the float operated overfilling protection device remains.
No amount of PR spin will overcome that fundamental issue though use of different technology in the function of an overfill protection might.
I am a little mystified by your statement "inherent dangers of toppling over" as the cyliner is locked onto the hose dispensing the gas? Have you seen this happen with a Safefill cylinder?
It seems very obvious that some people have limited knowledge of refilling Safefill cylinders as the same devices are used to refill cars and Gaslow bottles. There is no difference.
TBH are a green eyed monsters scaremongering?
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Well Safefill have the 80% safety valve and i have absolutely no qualms about using mine. I have had more than my fair share of gas leaks with Calor system so I am very wary. That sounds a bit as though some PR needs to be done to update to modern equipment.
The issue of them being portable and with that the inherent dangers of toppling during recharging and so malfunctioning of the float operated overfilling protection device remains.
No amount of PR spin will overcome that fundamental issue though use of different technology in the function of an overfill protection might.
I am a little mystified by your statement "inherent dangers of toppling over" as the cyliner is locked onto the hose dispensing the gas? Have you seen this happen with a Safefill cylinder?
It seems very obvious that some people have limited knowledge of refilling Safefill cylinders as the same devices are used to refill cars and Gaslow bottles. There is no difference.
TBH are a green eyed monsters scaremongering?
Well Safefill have the 80% safety valve and i have absolutely no qualms about using mine. I have had more than my fair share of gas leaks with Calor system so I am very wary. That sounds a bit as though some PR needs to be done to update to modern equipment.
The issue of them being portable and with that the inherent dangers of toppling during recharging and so malfunctioning of the float operated overfilling protection device remains.
No amount of PR spin will overcome that fundamental issue though use of different technology in the function of an overfill protection might.
I am a little mystified by your statement "inherent dangers of toppling over" as the cyliner is locked onto the hose dispensing the gas? Have you seen this happen with a Safefill cylinder?
It seems very obvious that some people have limited knowledge of refilling Safefill cylinders as the same devices are used to refill cars and Gaslow bottles. There is no difference.
TBH are a green eyed monsters scaremongering?
Well Safefill have the 80% safety valve and i have absolutely no qualms about using mine. I have had more than my fair share of gas leaks with Calor system so I am very wary. That sounds a bit as though some PR needs to be done to update to modern equipment.
The issue of them being portable and with that the inherent dangers of toppling during recharging and so malfunctioning of the float operated overfilling protection device remains.
No amount of PR spin will overcome that fundamental issue though use of different technology in the function of an overfill protection might.
I am a little mystified by your statement "inherent dangers of toppling over" as the cyliner is locked onto the hose dispensing the gas? Have you seen this happen with a Safefill cylinder?
It seems very obvious that some people have limited knowledge of refilling Safefill cylinders as the same devices are used to refill cars and Gaslow bottles. There is no difference.
TBH are a green eyed monsters scaremongering?
I have to correct your statement 'There is no difference.' when you are comparing Safefill and Gaslow. Safefill is filled direct to the container whilst Gaslow is filled via a external filler kit which is fixed to the vehicle. That is the difference and that is why Gaslow (and its like) are generally accepted at filling stations. That appears to be the specific problem when you look at the industry guidelines, which will not be changing. I would want Safefill to be accepted but its the issue about availablity of refilling which is stopping me going down that route.
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To be honest, so long as I can place my Safefill on the floor, I don't see any danger of it falling over. It has a much larger floor surface area than my previous calor bottles. I was a little apprehensive about self filling my bottle for the first time but it was extremely simple.
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There may be useful information in this thread but the overuse of complete quotes of other posts, and repeated nesting of them makes it beyond my level of interest to try to work out. I'll just stick with the Calor and the Camping Gaz backup.
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I am a little mystified by your statement "inherent dangers of toppling over" as the cyliner is locked onto the hose dispensing the gas? Have you seen this happen with a Safefill cylinder?
It seems very obvious that some people have limited knowledge of refilling Safefill cylinders as the same devices are used to refill cars and Gaslow bottles. There is no difference.
TBH are a green eyed monsters scaremongering?
You are quite right in that some have very limited knowledge of refilling Safefill cylinders; the statements in this quoted post exemplifies a lack of understanding of them and the differences between them and fixed installations. That absolutely fundemental
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I don't know how a Safefill would topple over whilst filling - it has a wide enough base and having filled my 10 kg on the ground it is perfectly stable. The dispensing nozel is tightly clamped during the filling procedure (designed that way obviously as otherwise there would be gas escaping). Once you try it and see how simply the procedure is it just becomes second nature like filling your car. In fact I would say that putting petrol into a car carries more risk as there is more chance of the petrol vapor being ignited. I think there is a lot of misunderstanding blended with scare stories put out by alternative gas suppliers who have their own vested interests to protect
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Just to repeat there is NO difference between filling a Safeill cylinder, a gaslow or a car. In all cases you push the pump connector onto the connector on the car, turn and clikck it into place. Instead of the Safeill cylinder having an external connector,
it is built onto the cylinder.Even my wife can do it and if it is such a safety concern why aren't all cylinders including Gaslow and cars banned from filling up with gas?
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I was talking to NEIL at Safefill just the other day and he said that anyone using or trying to fill a Safefill cylinder whilst it is on its side would be unsuccessful due to the SAFETY FEATURES built into the cylinders. Why do some people look for problems where there aren't any??? He also remarked that if there are such people about, ( and they must have been released from the local funny farm for the day) he doesn't want them as customers anyway. I am happily settled in on a glorious site in Wales with my Safefill cylinder with a filling point about 6 miles away. The SP is keeping the batteries full and topped up, the Safefill is driving the fridge and the cooker and all is OK with the world. Thank God I went non EHU!!!
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I don't know how a Safefill would topple over whilst filling - it has a wide enough base and having filled my 10 kg on the ground it is perfectly stable. The dispensing nozel is tightly clamped during the filling procedure (designed that way obviously as
otherwise there would be gas escaping). Once you try it and see how simply the procedure is it just becomes second nature like filling your car. In fact I would say that putting petrol into a car carries more risk as there is more chance of the petrol vapor
being ignited. I think there is a lot of misunderstanding blended with scare stories put out by alternative gas suppliers who have their own vested interests to protectWrite your comments here...these comments are made by caravanners who havent got Safefill Tirrill and certainly have no experience of them - it all goes over my head! £6 for 8.3kg or £24 for 6kg ........... err....... Now that's a tough one!!!!
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these comments are made by caravanners who havent got Safefill Tirrill and certainly have no experience of them - it all goes over my head! £6 for 8.3kg or £24 for 6kg ........... err....... Now that's a tough one!!!!
But compare with Flogas 19kg bottle which works out at approx £8 for 6kg then the difference is nowhere near as large. Add the cost of the journey to the nearest filling point to the Safefill price (Flogas deliver for free) and it differs even less.
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Not many lockers will take a 19kg bottle, I'll warrant.
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these comments are made by caravanners who havent got Safefill Tirrill and certainly have no experience of them - it all goes over my head! £6 for 8.3kg or £24 for 6kg ........... err....... Now that's a tough one!!!!
But compare with Flogas 19kg bottle which works out at approx £8 for 6kg then the difference is nowhere near as large. Add the cost of the journey to the nearest filling point to the Safefill price (Flogas deliver for free) and it differs even less.
Write your comments here...Now that's interesting but firstly the weight has to be considered and secondly I have always understood that the cylinder HAS to be in the locker during use??? Maybe I have that wrong. But the first one I haven't - a 19kg cylinder
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Merve, it depends on how much room you have in the towcar. My 4x4 has plenty of space and spare weight capacity to carry the bottle. The ruling on gas bottles needing to be in a locker only applies to seasonal pitches on CC sites. As I very rarely use CC
sites and would never consider a seasonal pitch this does not matter to me. However, at £20 for a 13kg Flogas the difference with Safefill is still minimal. I am not against the use of Safefill, in fact if there were a filling point within a couple of miles
from home, it could be worth my while purchasing a cyinder. I am just pointing out that the cost argument is not always as simple as comparisons with Calor and there are other alternative ways of saving on gas costs.0 -
Andy, I don't know where you are from in Co. Durham but I have filled up my LPG at Darlington North Road and Stokesley Jet Garage. I understand that Jet at Stone Bridge (near Nevilles Cross Crossroads and the Services at A1 Aycliffe Darlington Junction
also sell LPG although I havenn't filled up at these yet. Don't know if they would be any use to you.0 -
Merve, it depends on how much room you have in the towcar. My 4x4 has plenty of space and spare weight capacity to carry the bottle. The ruling on gas bottles needing to be in a locker only applies to seasonal pitches on CC sites. As I very rarely use CC sites and would never consider a seasonal pitch this does not matter to me. However, at £20 for a 13kg Flogas the difference with Safefill is still minimal. I am not against the use of Safefill, in fact if there were a filling point within a couple of miles from home, it could be worth my while purchasing a cyinder. I am just pointing out that the cost argument is not always as simple as comparisons with Calor and there are other alternative ways of saving on gas costs.
Write your comments here...Thanks for the clarification on the bottles being outside the locker Andy. I see your argument mate and if you have the capacity in your towcar as indeed I do that's very useful. If indeed a 13kg, and I agree with you because I have done similar in the past, costs £20 then why does a 6kg cost anything between £21 and £25? I don't blame you at all for buying bigger and saving money but these are the companies that have been ripping us (the folk who just want to go camping and caravanning) off for years. I have to buy their gas but I'll be damned if I will give them another penny towards supporting their cylinder business. I now have my own and that is the way it will stay. I also see your argument regarding a filling point but I'm sorry, I know for a fact that the 'big two' have really tried hard to block Safefill and that's probably the reason you can't fill up as others can't - well, not economically anyway. I can state it as a fact because I have come across garages who are Calor agents and as soon as they saw the SF cylinder every excuse in the book came out. Can't fill that mate because " I haven't got a licence". ( what licence is that then???) " You need to fill those in a cage". ( do you see cars driving into a cage??" I'm not insured to fill those". ( Oh come on!!! One bloke in Wales I went to actually told me he had been told he couldn't fill them - who by?? Calor!! That is changing though. Safefill are beginning to make headway against some of the most pernicious practices or should that be called restrictive practices? The facts are that every lie and rumour has been perpetrated about Safefill and others and that is why some believe it. I guess its the old saying - throw enough s**t at a blanket and some of its bound to stick! Yes my Safefill cylinder cost me but everytime I fill it I have a warm glow that Calor and Flo are not gaining from it AGAIN!!! It's mine and that is priceless to me.
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As there is a lot of talk on this discussion about cartels I wondered if anybody (e.g. Safefill) have contacted the Competition and Markets Authority if they have evidence or suspicion of a cartel being operated by any of the manufactures?
I agree that garages appear to use a variety of 'excuses' when they are unsure. I am sure that some will also use health and safety as the reason. I think that what is on the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) website is about people using filling adapters bought from certain Internet sites to refill branded containers which is an extremely dangerous practice. I believe that these people don't do Safefill users any favours. It could be suggested that it is therefore easier for a busy garage to have a blanket ban on refilling portable containers otherwise it would mean educating all their staff on what could and could not be filled.
Gaslow according to their website appear have the same problem with their direct fill containers that Safefill have. They have got around this by installing a permanent filler to the vehicle/caravan and so meet the trade associations standards.
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Hi all took the plunge bought a 10kg safefill got it for £150 and it only cost £9 to fill it happy days and its only about 5 miles from our house where we got it from much easir than the calor lite 6kg and about £24 to swap
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If you can refill Gaslow and Safefill with their adaptors at a garage then you should be able to fill any gas bottle with their adaptor, along with the correct bottle attachment. The main reason is not safty, but to stop us getting cheap gas for our bottles!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DJG, I think you will find that Gaslow and Safefill cylinders have safety valves built in. A normal Calor, Flogas cylinder is refilled while on a weight scale by fully qualified operators. You cannot overfill Gaslow or Safefill, the built in safety valves will not let you, however, I would imagine that you can easily overfill a standard cylinder. This causes a gas leak and a seriously dangerous situation, it is also the reason why some forecourts will not allow the filling of any non fixed gas cylinders. As is becoming the norm, the actions of a few selfish, and in my opinion, stupid individuals, is spoiling it for the rest of us...
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Edit..... You do not need adaptors with safefill as these are part of the bottles connection....
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If you can refill Gaslow and Safefill with their adaptors at a garage then you should be able to fill any gas bottle with their adaptor, along with the correct bottle attachment. The main reason is not safty, but to stop us getting cheap gas for our bottles!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Write your comments here...Not quite correct DJD as Brian says regular bottles don't have the built in safety valve that Gaslow and Safefill have, and are fitted with pump friendly fittings as standard. Adapters are only required for European use. My central heating 1900 lt tank has the 80% cut off valve too to prevent overfill and allow for heat expansion, I had a long discussion with the delivery man about it as Calor were SO bad at delivery I wanted 100% full but the safety argument was very strong! If Calor want to keep up with the trend they will have to produce their own refillables but judging on the price of Calorlite they can't compete with the likes of Safefill. However I believe the Monopolies people are looking into that.
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As I have been a Safefill user for some years now and have saved a small fortune on gas, I happen to know a bit about them. Not only have the Safefill cylinders got the overfill safety valve (80%) but also has the check valve. This, as you will find out when Safefill becomes the default choice of caravan manufacturers, stops gas escaping even if you open the valve! How safe is that with children around? Try that with a Calor or Flogas cylinder! I couldn't agree more with the comment above about this not being a health and Safety issue! It's about losing out on their extremely profitable cylinder business- the safefill cylinder is a very safe bit of kit and the big 2 are running scared. They have invested hundreds of thousands and probably more in their cylinders and they don't want to lose out so all sorts of rumours and garbage has been spoken about Safefill! The most ludicrous was "What is someone tried to fill it on its side?" If you can fill a SF cylinder on its side you'll be a genius and an idiot at the same time! Firstly its not possible and secondly, cretins don't tend to tow caravans around!! If you don't believe me about how safe SF cylinders are, ring Safefill and find out the FACTS as I did! They are a brilliant products and together with my Solar panel I have freed myself from fees that are 3 times ( or much more if it's a CC site) what I am paying now and with all the comforts that I would have with EHU. Safefill is the future. Oh, and may I say, Safefill as a company really want overt not covert filling! They are desperately trying to stop the idiots who are refilling Calor bottles etc. Yes, I agree wholeheartedly , these people have done us no favours!
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