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edited February 2013 in Overseas Campsites & Touring #1

This was posted on the Swift talk web site today 17/02/2013, nothing to do with me, but I am a bit concerned? anyone come acress this.

Living in France, as I do, I thought it best if I inform you of some changes to the rules and thousands (millions?) of regulations that took effect from 19th January 2013 which affect those of you who travel with large outfits.
Most of these new regulations only affect those who tow with a total ‘train’ weight i.e. car + caravan whose total gross weight exceeds 3500kg (3.5 tonnes). Weight, in this case, is called PTAC in France, and equates
to the MGPLW in Britain. You can find your caravan’s MGPLW on your ‘A’ frame plate, or in your manual. It doesn’t actually matter how much the car or caravan
actually weighs. Loaded up for holidays, I dare say most of you have exceeded these weights, but it’s irrelevant, it’s the
published weight that matters. Don’t think that by underloading your ‘van you can get away with it. Again, it’s the
published weight that matters

They have taken advantage of a new batch of EU regulations to sneak these changes  in. The reason for the creation of these new rules is simply because the French – although you will not find this written down anywhere – hate, loathe, despise – or any unpleasant
verb you can think of – the ‘gens de voyage’ or the travellers, Romanies, Gypsies, call them what you will,   so, to force them off the road, they have regulated. The 3 main points are:-

  1. Driving Licences. It used to be that if you had a British driving license, you were automatically entitled to tow a caravan if your ‘train weight’ was up to 4.5 tonnes. This has changed. There are now three levels of license
    1. Up to 3.5 tonnes (Permis B) – a normal UK license if fine, as long as your caravan is not heavier than your car. If it is, don’t bring it into France, it’s illegal unless you have the equivalent of at least (3) below.
    2. Between 3.5 and 4.5 tonnes (Permis E96). This is the newest level brought in at the insistence of the FFCC, the French Caravan Club, and has caused much confusion throughout France. Basically, if your UK driving license specifically states that you can
      tow a caravan, then it will be fine, otherwise, you must get your license endorsed by the DVLA. Not living in Britain any longer, I don’t know if this is chargeable.
    3. Over 4.5 tonnes (Permis EB - used to be an B/E - What? Confusion in France? They invented it!). The new regulation came into effect on 19th January 2013, and as at today (17th February) the full details have not yet been published
      – this is France, don’t forget! Most driving schools believe that if you are over 60 then forget it: you will not be allowed on French roads with a train weight this big. French drivers over 60 are required to undergo a strict medical every 2 years to keep
      their EB licence and you are assumed to have failed unless you can prove that you are fit.  It is believed that if you are under 60 you may need to have the equivalent of a PSV, or Heavy Goods license when the final details bcome available.
  2. Speed Limits. For units over 3.5 tonnes, you will be restricted to a maximum of 90kph (about 56mph) on the French 'A' roads. ‘A’ roads are the roads where the speed limit for
    cars is
    130 kph    . If the speed limit is 110kph, then you are only allowed to do 90kph with a large caravan. So, don’t be fooled into thinking that because you are on a dual carriageway (usually an N road) you can do 90kph, you can’t, you can only do
    80kph, which is the maximum speed on all other roads in France for you.  At the same time new regulations have been passed to allow the police to set up speed traps wherever they want, and, believe me, they are. If you are caught speeding with a large caravan
    you run the risk of having your ‘van impounded until you have taken at least 7 hours of driving tests/ lessons. One further thing is that you must now display on the back of your caravan two stickers, one saying ‘80’ and the other ‘90’ - just in case you forget.
    The police are rather lax about this, they won’t stop you just for this, but if they feel in a bad mood if they do stop you, this is something else they will get you for.
  3. Campings Municipals. Throughout France nearly every large town has its own camp site, run by the
    mairie (the town hall). Generally speaking, these sites are very good. Simple, but very well maintained. However, in January an ‘advisory note’ was sent to all
    mairies in France, which was to be kept secret. However, our local Secretary knew we were caravanners, so he showed it to us. In effect, all double-axle caravans (double-essieu) are now banned from every Camping Municipal throughout France,
    and pressure is to be put on all commercial sites to follow, although I do not believe this will be very successful. The mairies are also being encouraged to charge considerably more if you tow with a 4X4. This is probably the most direct regulation against
    the travellers, but it has had repercussions for caravanners from Britain, Holland, Germany etc who have no problems with double-axles. We have tried to explain that double-axles are probably kinder to the ground than a large single axle, but rules is rules.

 

There is one further thing, which is an advisory from the FFCC. If you tow a double-axle caravan (whatever its weight) then is advisable to carry a small folder to prove that you have a fixed home, and don’t live in your caravan permanently. In this folder
you should have:-

  • A copy of your caravan’s CRIS certificate
  • A copy of your latest Council tax bill
  • A copy of your latest electricity , water, telephone (not mobile), or gas bill
  • A copy of your driving license (including the photo).
  • A copy of your passport.

But, the important thing is to make sure that the
same person’s name and address appear on all of these copies and that person is driving. This only takes a couple of minutes to set up and it can be very useful if you are asked to prove your identity in some remote part of France - don’t forget that
a passport doesn’t have your address on it.

All this may sound oppressive, but if you are careful, it’s not that difficult to tour around France and to see some of the wonderful towns and scenery that we are blessed with here. The site owners or managers are always very friendly and helpful, and if
you have children you will be welcomed with open arms.

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