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  • JayEss
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    edited February 2016 #32

    I would be surprised if it was surplus to requirements or unsuitable for members/. It is a very busy site in a very popular area and having been there it seemed perfectl for its current pupose. It would be nice to see something from the club on this.

    Given the value of housing in the area I suspect the land must be worth a small fortune.

    We are short enough of sites and pitches now and this is one site that the club should fight to the end to retain.

    It would appear that the Club has declared it unsuitable and surplus to requirements so I can't imagine there'll be much of a fight put up for its retention from them

     

  • pennyandsteve
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    edited February 2016 #33

    We also enjoyed our visit and can only imagine why the club deem it unsuitable.......

     If this site is really deemed unsuitable by GT  perhaps we should be renamed the Land Bank Club as that may beckon a la venture capitalist!

    I would be interested to know whether the Club has opened more sites than it has closed over the last few years and hope that this is not a continuing trend.

    Steve

     

  • Wherenext
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    edited February 2016 #34

    I would be surprised if it was surplus to requirements or unsuitable for members/. It is a very busy site in a very popular area and having been there it seemed perfectl for its current pupose. It would be nice to see something from the club on this.

    Given the value of housing in the area I suspect the land must be worth a small fortune.

    We are short enough of sites and pitches now and this is one site that the club should fight to the end to retain.

    It would appear that the Club has declared it unsuitable and surplus to requirements so I can't imagine there'll be much of a fight put up for its retention from them

     

    Write your comments here...In which case the person or persons making this decision should resign. They do not seem to be acting in the best interests of the people whose club it is, namely the members. I haven't seen one post yet advocating its sale and whilst CT is only a small minority of the total membership I cannot see that the majority of non CT members given a chance to air their view would react any differently. After all we are talking about a site that is NOT shunned by the members but is counted as a favourite by many.

  • HelenandTrevor
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    edited February 2016 #35

    We have just returned from a few days at Broadway, it's a very popular site, even in the winter. The club made a permanent home for "the Wanderer " in the top toilet block,  only fairly recently,  it wouldn't make sense to close the site and move it surely.
     The GWR railway extension will be up and running in 2017 and will make the site even more popular.

  • johnathome
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    edited February 2016 #36

    This is one of the clubs best sites and is located in a prime location.

    always well booked and kept spotless,a short walk to the village. It would be criminal for the club to close it and sell it on.

    Its obviously worth a lot of money if sold with planning permission, but can the CC afford to upset so many members by seeking profit above members wishes.

  • JayEss
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    edited February 2016 #37

    It's bad enough when leased sites are lost from the network. It's extremely disappointing to see the Club promoting this site which is owned for residential development. 

    We need more sites in locations like this with a short walk to local facilities. 

  • huskydog
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    edited February 2016 #38

    hopefully the Club will respond tomorrow as to what is happening to this site , might be best not to speculate

    but then again ! The club seems to take our money but do they look after our interest???? 

  • SteveL
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    edited February 2016 #39

    I would have thought it far worse if a popular leased site is lost, as the club faces replacing it, whilst not making anything.

  • peedee
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    edited February 2016 #40

    I would have thought it far worse if a popular leased site is lost, as the club faces replacing it, whilst not making anything.

    Yes but why promote the sale of an excellently located site in a major tourist area when clearly it was not included in local plans in the first place. I also doubt many members would support its sale either.

    I await the Club's response with much interest

    peedee

  • JayEss
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    edited February 2016 #41

    I would have thought it far worse if a popular leased site is lost, as the club faces replacing it, whilst not making anything.

    There's always several ways of looking at things. 

    If a landlord chooses to end the lease and develop a site then there's little the club can do about it. 

     

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited February 2016 #42

    My concern, as a motorhomer, is that if it were to be replaced with another campsite would that site be as conveniently placed to the village of Broadway. The same might be equally true of a lot of caravanners.  If it were not it would not be of as much
    interest to those of us that like to be within walking distance on interesting places.

    David

  • ocsid
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    edited February 2016 #43

    It is hard to believe what we are reading here, how can the CC be making such a statements about Broadway not meeting members needs? Our take in not getting in on occasions due to over subscribed and its ease to walk and cycle into town to this memberand obviously others is exactly our "needs". Reading the responses published here we don't seem alone so where are all these members the club is speaking on behalve of whose "needs" it does not meet?

  • JayEss
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    edited February 2016 #44

    I would be interested to hear how many more club sites have been promoted to other local planning authorities. 

    This sort of thing is rarely carried out in isolation and there are many plans under preparation at the moment 

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  • Kennine
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    edited February 2016 #46

    Could it be that the CC wants to  combine with the C&CC and is getting rid of  surplus sites to maximise its finances.

    Seems a strange decision to ditch the site at Broadway. 

    K

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited February 2016 #47

    I hope that some clarity and a statement explaining what is happening is forthcoming quite soon. It does seem rather unusual that a decision has possibly been made, albeit at this date only at planning stage but I think a vast amount of the membership will
    not see this as a step forward, and will expect to find out more. There are just too many decent, well used Sites under threat of closure for one reason or another at the moment, and whilst some of the AS/MUC partnerships widen the options, they are not always
    good replacements for the true Club Sites that form the backbone of this Club.

  • Randomcamper
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    edited February 2016 #48

    I too have stayed here and am shocked that the club would consider selling it..........

    The only possible justification would be that the proceeds would pay for two new sites, so adding a further site to the network. It is hard to imagine any replacement sites being so well placed though....

    Clarification from the club is required urgently.......!!

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited February 2016 #49

    Lot of Club Sites in Cotswold area and close by, only way they might replace something in area is to use brown field option, land must be extortionate there. Club has a good history of reusing brown field land though, hence Broadway!

  • JayEss
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    edited February 2016 #50

    The main driver for joining the club for us was the network of sites that are within a short distance of urban facilities and they are almost exclusively the ones we use when travelling as a family. We're on holiday. We don't want to decide who is designated
    driver if we go out for a meal, we don't want to have to drive 8 miles to buy milk that isn't semi skimmed and best of all we can go out for a day and leave the teenagers in the van knowing that they can walk to the shops to get some lunch or just potter on
    their own. 

    If the club is looking to dispose of sites like Broadway and replace them with more remotely located sites then they certainly aren't meeting my needs any more. The main thing I value in the club are the secure sites located close to amenities. If I want
    to stay in the middle of nowhere the commercial sector provides that option very well.

     The online calendar and reviews show that the claims made on the club's behalf are questionable. It doesn't take much research to query the claims of redundancy. 

    Unfortunately even if it doesn't get allocated in this plan it may in the next. If there are strong opinions within the membership that this sort of asset stripping is not desirable then they need to be made crystal clear to the powers that be 

  • volvoman9
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    edited February 2016 #51

    We have just returned from a few days at Broadway, it's a very popular site, even in the winter. The club made a permanent home for "the Wanderer " in the top toilet block,  only fairly recently,  it wouldn't make sense to close the site and move it surely.  The GWR railway extension will be up and running in 2017 and will make the site even more popular.

    Totally agree i cant believe the CC are concidering closeing a site like Broadway.Its location is superb and when the GWR get fully up and running it will be even better as said.I just hope this is just speculation and rumour.I cant remember the last time we did not visit this site at least once a year.The only site we have visited more often is Rowntree Park.

    peter.

  • peedee
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    edited February 2016 #52

    I cannot even imagine why the Club even needs the money. It has a very healthy balance sheet with a large surplus of cash, something like £32 million.

    They are not very fast in coming forward with an explanation!

    peedee

    p.s. sorry latest available accounts shows £18 million in cash available

  • SteveL
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    edited February 2016 #53

    The fact that the club claims the site is not meeting the needs of its members is not necessarily false, as need can be looked at in a variety of ways. A site that is often oversubscribed could also be labelled as not meeting the members needs, where as
    a larger site would allow more to take advantage of the area. Clearly it would all depend on where that site was located and wether that conflicted with other member needs, such as proximity to amenities. None of this can be answered unless the club is prepared
    to make a statement.

  • PITCHTOCLOSE
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    edited February 2016 #54

    A few people on here jumping up and down will not make any difference, if they want to sell they will and use the money to increase available pitches in the system to the benefit of all the club members.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited February 2016 #55

    The fact that the club claims the site is not meeting the needs of its members is not necessarily false, as need can be looked at in a variety of ways. A site that is often oversubscribed could also be labelled as not meeting the members needs, where as
    a larger site would allow more to take advantage of the area. Clearly it would all depend on where that site was located and wether that conflicted with other member needs, such as proximity to amenities. None of this can be answered unless the club is prepared
    to make a statement.

    Some good points there, Steve. I don't believe Broadway meets the needs of people with mobility problems so that's not in its favour.

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited February 2016 #56

    I wonder if this is a misinterpretation of the Club's involvement? All local Authorities have to draw up local plans as they are being leaned on by Government to build as many new houses as they can. Quite naturally they would identify the land that the
    Club site is on as a possible place for redevelopment whether the Club were in agreement or not. We won't know until we hear from the Sites Department.

    David

  • TheAdmiral
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    edited February 2016 #57

    This cannot be true, I will ask the question in two weeks time as we are booked in for five nights. "Not meeting the needs " maybe means that there are not sufficient pitches as I suspect it is one of the gems of the CC network

    Admiral

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2016 #58

    The fact that the club claims the site is not meeting the needs of its members is not necessarily false, as need can be looked at in a variety of ways. A site that is often oversubscribed could also be labelled as not meeting the members needs, where as a larger site would allow more to take advantage of the area. Clearly it would all depend on where that site was located and wether that conflicted with other member needs, such as proximity to amenities. None of this can be answered unless the club is prepared to make a statement.

    Some good points there, Steve. I don't believe Broadway meets the needs of people with mobility problems so that's not in its favour.

    Tinny,..Where do you think it does not meet mobilty needs as since it was enlarged with the new facilities block i would think it meets  all the mobility Regs,and space is normally available other than as lot of sites at w/ends

  • JayEss
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    edited February 2016 #59

    I wonder if this is a misinterpretation of the Club's involvement? All local Authorities have to draw up local plans as they are being leaned on by Government to build as many new houses as they can. Quite naturally they would identify the land that the Club site is on as a possible place for redevelopment whether the Club were in agreement or not. We won't know until we hear from the Sites Department.

    David

    No David.  The representation was put forward by Savills on behalf of the Caravan Club to seek the inclusion of the site as an allocation for housing development.  That is clear

    From my quick scan of the documentation I don't think they were successful

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited February 2016 #60

    JayEss

    If that is the case does it make sense? Whilst the land would be worth a pretty penny I can't see there being enough money to build a new site and having any left over to make it worth while?

    David

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2016 #61

    It certainly makes one wonder what plan the estates department at HO are working to?how many more sites are being put forward as "not meeting members needs",are the club finances not what we are led to believeUndecided