Reintroductions

mickysf
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So which species would you next like to see returning to Britain?

My vote goes to the white stork!

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/rewilding-britain-launches-with-the-aim-of-restoring-uks-lost-wildlife-and-habitats

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  • ValDa
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    edited May 2016 #2

    You've got your wish already.  Since 2014 white storks have been nesting in Great Yarmouth of all places after captive born chicks were given 'freedom' by a sympathetic 'reintroducer'.

    I don't know what I would like to see reintroduced - perhaps more wild flowers everywhere!

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2016 #3

    You've got your wish already.  Since 2014 white storks have been nesting in Great Yarmouth of all places after captive born chicks were given 'freedom' by a sympathetic 'reintroducer'.

    I don't know what I would like to see reintroduced - perhaps more wild flowers everywhere!

    ...wow, didn't know that! Any successfully fledged chicks? Where abouts in Great Yarmouth can they be seen? If it's the Thriigby Hall pair unfortunately they don't count as they are considered to be captive birds.

    Very much go with the wild flowers though!

  • ValDa
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    edited May 2016 #4

    Sorry, yes, it's Thrigby Hall - but the original article didn't mention just where they were.  The article did say, though, that they went off into the Norfolk Broads to forage, so apparently they are free flying.  Hopefully their chicks, if any hatch, may take off and nest elsewhere!

    I've just been looking back for the article I read - I can't remember where it was -  but googling found this from April 2016 - so you may be able to see them after all.  Though I suppose it won't count if it turns out to be one of the Thrigby Hall birds after all!

  • Pliers
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    edited May 2016 #5

    So which species would you next like to see returning to Britain?

    My vote goes to the white stork!

     

    Cream coloured courser. My favourite bird. Had fantastic views of them in The Gambia, and would welcome a few onto my garden feeders!

  • Kennine
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    edited May 2016 #6

    I'd like to see wolves introduced back into Britain.  There are no real predators at the moment, apart fom humans,-- the wolf would assist in maintaining the balance of nature. 

  • Oneputt
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    edited May 2016 #7

    Before we bring other animals in we need to get rid of the introduced invasive species. 

  • Bob2112
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    edited May 2016 #8

    Before we bring other animals in we need to get rid of the introduced invasive species. 

    Write your comments here... Now there's a can of worms.

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2016 #9

    Some species will naturally colonise new 'lands', they are fine in my view, it's going to happen increasingly with climate change. We will also loose some too as a result.  Its the ones we humans introduce either deliberately or by mistake that have become the problems in many cases. However, careful and calculated reintroduction is a good thing if we have persecuted and eradicated a species.

  • Bob2112
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    edited May 2016 #10

    Climate change has been going on for about 4.6 billion years but has recently become a popular political / media sound bite. Species have been persecuted for reasons which were perfectly valid at the time but the arguments are no longer acceptable. Leave
    well alone. Nature will evolve.

     

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2016 #11

    Climate change has been going on for about 4.6 billion years but has recently become a popular political / media sound bite. Species have been persecuted for reasons which were perfectly valid at the time but the arguments are no longer acceptable. Leave well alone. Nature will evolve.

     

    valid?? Depends on who is doing that validating and why they feel the need to do so! Sometimes they haven't left well alone!

    As for climate change, yes that has gone on for billions of years but only very recently, last thousand year at most, have we humans had such a profound influence on it!  In such a detrimental and dangerous way possibly!

     

  • Kennine
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    edited May 2016 #12

    This ridiculous insistence that Global Warming is all down to human activity is IMO spurious and ourtrageous.  The world has never had a static weather system, there have been Ice Ages and warm periods for as long as the earth has been in existence.

    It is those with an eye on business opportunities who are pushing so hard for their products to be deployed. Even although their products are totally unable to have any effect on the natural changes in the Earth's temperature.  The Americans have a name for that kind of unethical practice. They call the participants " Snake Oil Salesmen ".

    Lets stop acting like King Canute and accept the world is going through it's natural cycle. 

    Cool

    As I said in an earlier post. Reintroducing Wolves to the UK would go a long way to balancing the natural wild life population.

    K Cool.

     

  • Bob2112
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    edited May 2016 #13

    Most Scottish sheep farmers will be too busy just now to post a reply Kennine but they got a bit uppity a wee while ago when the reintroduction of wolves was proposed. They still hunt foxes where I live so I suspect that wolves would not be welcome .

    I'm with you on climate change and if anyone else is interested in more than the Daily Mail view there are lots of good debate forums out there.

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2016 #14

    I'm not, and many others are not, insisting that climate change is all down to humans. It's just that we may be contributing to that fine balance that is effecting our weather patterns and this in turn may have a very detrimental effect on people's lives and livelihoods. We could, afterall just maybe providing that activity which tips us over! 

    Furthermore on another issue, with regard to leaving well alone mass deforestation, which is a human activity, has seen the total eradication of habitats on a massive scale with the extinction of both flora and fauna in some huge areas of the landmass.

    There are those ostriches of course on both issues who wish to bury their heads in the sand just for economical reasons, they don't want to admit the possibilities and certainly don't want to change their habits. 

    We must keep an open scientific mind if we are to make the most of this world for our future generations. We must do 'our' bit I feel or there is the possibility that the catastrophic could happen. It wouldn't be the first time a civilisation has possibly disappeared through their own actions. Just look at the Easter Island scenario. 

  • RSPB
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    edited May 2016 #15

    It's all about 'keystone' species here, species which play a significant role in an ecosystem. You take that species out and the ecosystem collapses and doesn't function in the same way - reducing the benefits of that ecosystem that we as humans take for
    granted (air pollution, clean water supply, higher oxygen levels, natural pest control, food sources etc).

    Many large apex predators like tigers, bears, wolves, sharks are have a confounding effect on the ecosystems they live in and are to some extent keystone species. In the UK a predator would control deer populations for us, allowing grasslands to be in a
    healthy state - we'd then get lots of insect rich grasslands which would subsequently benefit things that eat them - birds, reptiles etc - you can how one species can have a huge beneficial knock on effect.

    Very interesting discussion! Love some of the comments, personally I'd quite like to see wild boar, the lynx and the beaver back as a start. We just have to live in harmony with nature. 

  • mickysf
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    edited December 2022 #16

    Brilliant to see the rewilding agenda lives on! Have faith folk. Lots of places to visits out in our motorhomes and caravans. Saw the ECO awards in the latest Club magazine, even small projects can contribute! 

  • mickysf
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    edited December 2022 #17

    Yes, where such projects could be of value to enriching our ecosystems they should at least be considered.👍

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited December 2022 #19

    I can’t remember if this has bern mentioned before. Beavers have been reintroduced on land owned by the explorer and President of Survival International, Robin Hanbury-Tenison, on Bodmin Moor.

    They called the first one Sigourney……. 😙

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited December 2022 #20

    Reintroductions are rewilding flora or fauna-it’s a good continuing platform for your excellent good news stories Micky boy👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited December 2022 #21

    My fave was the Beaver, I love watching them, they have a game plan that just happens to slow run off & fight against erosion & floods. Industrious little guys👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited December 2022 #22

    Weaver(of sticks) excellent👍🏻😂

  • mickysf
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    edited December 2022 #23

    Coincidentally, I have this week received a Christmas Card from a friend who lives in the Borders. In this, he reminded me that it was time we visited them and took an interested look at their community project and the countryside beyond. For the interested, and apparently 4 out of 5 of us Brits are supportive of rewilding the countryside, here are the details/timeline of their epic success to date. 

    https://www.langholminitiative.org.uk/news

    Melrose, Jedburgh and even River Bremish sites are not too far away, We must make the effort!

    https://www.langholminitiative.org.uk/copy-of-tarras-valley-nature-reserve

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited December 2022 #24

    They deserve to be justifiably proud, it’s a mammoth feat. It’s funny as I’d heard of the ‘muckle town’ area but never gave it a 2nd thought, now I know. That’s rewilding on a great scale reclaiming nature for natures true inhabitants. Thanks Micky boy👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • mickysf
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    edited December 2022 #25

    Here’s another project not far away.

    https://bordersforesttrust.org/wild-heart/carrifran-wildwood

    I think Englethwaite Hall club site may be even closer than those already mentioned. Both projects are community driven and providing opportunities for the local communities to engage in nature/eco tourism. The photos showing the transformation of the landscape and flora and fauna returning are truly fabulous.

  • Wherenext
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    edited December 2022 #26

    https://www.rewildingbritain.org.uk/the-rewilding-network/rewilding-innovation-fund

    This was in the news today and reading of some of the recipients of funding it was good to see a wide cross section of nature represented.

  • mickysf
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    edited December 2022 #27

    Some fantastic news coming through. More to come as the rewilding projects grow in number and size around the UK. These estates now becoming so much more eco diverse offering a haven for a whole host of native flora and fauna.

     

    https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/highlands-islands/5202004/rewilding-project-tayvallich-estate-argyll-highland-jeremy-leggett/

  • triky auto
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    edited December 2022 #28

    Male Bison have just been released into Blean Woods Herne Common near Herne Bay/Canterbury Kent .They join the other Bison released a few months earlier .

  • mickysf
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    edited December 2022 #29

    Just been reading about this UK reintroduction of a creature I knew nothing of until today. 
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/06/northern-pool-frogs-return-to-the-uk

    A 2022 nature wrap up newsletter I’ve just received, which included the above link along with examples of other reintroduction projects, is full of hope given a mindset change from some. It explains that many of our native reptiles and amphibians are presently seriously at risk. One major threat in my local area to moorland amphibians and reptiles is the prolific over stocking of non native game birds in their territory. The alternative scenario is bleak. Let’s hope for more and better in 2023!👍

     

  • mickysf
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    edited December 2022 #30
  • mickysf
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    edited December 2022 #31

    Some brilliant news for 2023.
    https://www.kentwildlifetrust.org.uk/choughreintroduction

    Looking forward to seeing more initiatives like this on our motorhome travels!