Why do we have a Club Chaplain?
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There appears to be some ignorance on the role of chaplains in society in general and here too so, being a member of the clergy, I hope I can assist.
Firstly, it is far from the case that all chaplains are female. I've no idea where the poster who suggested that get there information from but I have spent many hours with chaplains in many walks of life: hospital chaplains, school chaplains, prison chaplains,
football chaplains and railway chaplains. The vast majority of these are men.Now on to the role of the chaplains themselves and these will vary from industry to industry and also from whom they get their employment from in terms of their job descriptions. What I can tell you is that no one knows when they will need a chaplain. They
are available to be a visible presence in all sorts of circumstances aling with day to day work which is often just encouraging people and offering to pray with those who might be feeling rubbish about anything. It's incredible the amount of people who say
yes to the offer of a prayer. As examples a hospital chaplian will spend much time with a family and patient who has a serious illness. A railway chaplain will spend much time with the family of a driver who has had the trauma of running someone over - or
with someone considering suicide and hanging off a bridge which would cause major disruption. A school chaplain works with the staff and pupils to help create a sound and positive environment to work in where troubles can be shared and worked through.Most chaplaincy work that I know of does not involve bible bashing or whatever some may call it but is a genuine service offered by people of faith to help care and pastor for people in need in a complexity of situations.
In all cases that I have alluded to (before we even start on armed forces chaplaincies - but I've had no experience of those) the chaplaincy service is highly valued by the company and industry in which they work. Most of their work is unseen but is missed
when it doesn't happen.I too would be very interested in hearing what the CC say about their chaplain and their role - and you never know, I might even be interest in the post if it becomes vancant!!!
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We had an occupational nurse at my Company. Did many things that a chaplain might do but with the added advantage that she could do inoculations for overseas business trips. I don't believe the Club need either position.
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There appears to be some ignorance on the role of chaplains in society in general and here too so, being a member of the clergy, I hope I can assist.
Firstly, it is far from the case that all chaplains are female. I've no idea where the poster who suggested that get there information from but I have spent many hours with chaplains in many walks of life: hospital chaplains, school chaplains, prison chaplains,
football chaplains and railway chaplains. The vast majority of these are men.Now on to the role of the chaplains themselves and these will vary from industry to industry and also from whom they get their employment from in terms of their job descriptions. What I can tell you is that no one knows when they will need a chaplain. They
are available to be a visible presence in all sorts of circumstances aling with day to day work which is often just encouraging people and offering to pray with those who might be feeling rubbish about anything. It's incredible the amount of people who say
yes to the offer of a prayer. As examples a hospital chaplian will spend much time with a family and patient who has a serious illness. A railway chaplain will spend much time with the family of a driver who has had the trauma of running someone over - or
with someone considering suicide and hanging off a bridge which would cause major disruption. A school chaplain works with the staff and pupils to help create a sound and positive environment to work in where troubles can be shared and worked through.Most chaplaincy work that I know of does not involve bible bashing or whatever some may call it but is a genuine service offered by people of faith to help care and pastor for people in need in a complexity of situations.
In all cases that I have alluded to (before we even start on armed forces chaplaincies - but I've had no experience of those) the chaplaincy service is highly valued by the company and industry in which they work. Most of their work is unseen but is missed
when it doesn't happen.I too would be very interested in hearing what the CC say about their chaplain and their role - and you never know, I might even be interest in the post if it becomes vancant!!!
Thank you for correcting our 'ignorance', Tadhatter.
I'm sure most of us have a pretty good idea what a chaplain does but how on earth can the role you describe fit into CC? There is a strong element of realism in Husky's post above. Perhaps CC will enlighten us, perhaps not.
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Thanks Tadhatter for confirming my understanding of a chaplain but I'm still unconvinced that it's an essential role in an organisation that sells insurance and pitches.
I don't think it's going to be like the legal helpline is it? It's not even listed as something the Club can provide.
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Yeah, sorry, the word "ignorance" probably wasn't the best word to use.
And I wasn't necessarily arguing the case for or against the CC having a chaplain, just explaining the role in the different contexts that I've experiences and, like many on here, would be keen to hear the thinking behind such a position.
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If the chaplain offers these services, where's his/her phone number on the site for the members that may require their services, or is the chaplain just available for judging cakes as in the TV programme.
Just need to know her role in the CC.
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Apparently she was judging the cakes / handicrafts at the start of the BBC 2 prog the other night. See C of E web site here.
Tadhatter...I think this is the lady in question, no-one was suggesting this was stereotypical and I hope the cakes were good.
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It's unbelievably stereotypical to suggest chaplains (and vicar's wives for that matter) spend their time judging cakes and arranging flowers.
But true on this occasion, TH, as Brue has explained. I guess there's little else for her to do within CC.
Mind you, some of the Club hierarchy might need to seek solace at present.
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Maybe said Chaplain could put in an appearance on here, give us the answers. Put some meat on the bones
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And I'm sure many would agree with you. But there will be some who appreciate a spiritual element to their leisure activities too.
Maybe we should keep our eyes open for this..?
http://www.inspiremagazine.org.uk/Stories/National?storyaction=view&storyid=2169
(in case you can't open the link it's a mobile prayer caravan!!!)
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Maybe said Chaplain could put in an appearance on here, give us the answers. Put some meat on the bones
Good idea, Rocky. What better way to publicise her work.
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And I'm sure many would agree with you. But there will be some who appreciate a spiritual element to their leisure activities too.
Maybe we should keep our eyes open for this..?
We'll, not me, TH. People live by their own moral ethos and, other than that, in my view religion has no part to play in caravanning.
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I'm still reserving judgement until I hear from the club but I'm not entirely convinced that it's the Club's role to provide that spiritual element. After all there are churches, and their equivalent, everywhere
If the Club could confirm the role and how it feels that sits with the T&Cs then I'll be able to decide whether I wish to continue supporting it or not
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And I'm sure many would agree with you. But there will be some who appreciate a spiritual element to their leisure activities too.
Maybe we should keep our eyes open for this..?
http://www.inspiremagazine.org.uk/Stories/National?storyaction=view&storyid=2169
(in case you can't open the link it's a mobile prayer caravan!!!)
http://www.inspiremagazine.org.uk/Stories/National?storyaction=view&storyid=2169
There you go ......
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And I'm sure many would agree with you. But there will be some who appreciate a spiritual element to their leisure activities too.
Maybe we should keep our eyes open for this..?
http://www.inspiremagazine.org.uk/Stories/National?storyaction=view&storyid=2169
(in case you can't open the link it's a mobile prayer caravan!!!)
http://www.inspiremagazine.org.uk/Stories/National?storyaction=view&storyid=2169
There you go ......
Gee thanks
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Oh dear, this is why I'm glad that religion is a topic that is kept off CT. I'm interested to hear about the way the CC is run so thankyou Jayess for bringing this to our attention. But that is my limit on making any comments on here.
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And I'm sure many would agree with you. But there will be some who appreciate a spiritual element to their leisure activities too.
Maybe we should keep our eyes open for this..?
We'll, not me, TH. People live by their own moral ethos and, other than that, in my view religion has no part to play in caravanning.
I think you misunderstand my post. I'm saying that many people agree with what my post was replying to (which was about secular leisure time) but that there will probably some that appreciate the spiritual. I'm not saying that everyone wants the spiritual
- that's clearly not the case by your standpoint and I'm not criticising you for that. My point is that some don't and some do and not that everyone should.And IK could could write a thesis on whether religion and caravanning mix but I don't think this is the time or place!
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Oh dear, this is why I'm glad that religion is a topic that is kept off CT. I'm interested to hear about the way the CC is run so thankyou Jayess for bringing this to our attention. But that is my limit on making any comments on here.
Agreed Brue.
This wasn't intended to be a post to discuss religion as such but to clarify why we have a chaplain.
i did report my own post so hopefully someone will respond so we can all find out the reasoning.
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The organisation I work for has just appointed a "company" chaplain (male). He is there for the staff, not our "customers".... It is an honarary position....
Within the CC which must employ hundreds of staff, it would seem sensible for staff to have access to this service....?
I doubt the CC chaplain is there to visit individual members whilst on their holidays....
But suppose a tragedy occurs on a CC site (sadly easy to imagine, a caravan explosion, RTC etc) Fatalaties could affect both those working on site and members staying there. I could easily imagine a visit from the CC chaplain may be a comfort to some....
Why knock it....??
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And I'm sure many would agree with you. But there will be some who appreciate a spiritual element to their leisure activities too.
Maybe we should keep our eyes open for this..?
We'll, not me, TH. People live by their own moral ethos and, other than that, in my view religion has no part to play in caravanning.
I think you misunderstand my post. I'm saying that many people agree with what my post was replying to (which was about secular leisure time) but that there will probably some that appreciate the spiritual. I'm not saying that everyone wants the spiritual
- that's clearly not the case by your standpoint and I'm not criticising you for that. My point is that some don't and some do and not that everyone should.And IK could could write a thesis on whether religion and caravanning mix but I don't think this is the time or place!
No, I didn't misunderstand, TH. I was giving you my view on the issue which is that religion has no part to play in caravanning. That is my personal opinion. You and others may well disagree and that's fine. We are all entitled to our views.
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Thanks Jay, I hope everyone remembers the guidelines about religious and political topics not being part of CT.
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The organisation I work for has just appointed a "company" chaplain (male). He is there for the staff, not our "customers".... It is an honarary position....
Within the CC which must employ hundreds of staff, it would seem sensible for staff to have access to this service....?
I doubt the CC chaplain is there to visit individual members whilst on their holidays....
But suppose a tragedy occurs on a CC site (sadly easy to imagine, a caravan explosion, RTC etc) Fatalaties could affect both those working on site and members staying there. I could easily imagine a visit from the CC chaplain may be a comfort to some....
Why knock it....??
I am not knocking it. I am asking for the reasoning behind it. That is all.
If there is a need or desire for the role within the Club then I'm happy with that.
I have been a member for quite some time before realising that there was a chaplain. Clearly others did not know as well. Is it too much to ask for an explanation?
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And I'm sure many would agree with you. But there will be some who appreciate a spiritual element to their leisure activities too.
Maybe we should keep our eyes open for this..?
http://www.inspiremagazine.org.uk/Stories/National?storyaction=view&storyid=2169
(in case you can't open the link it's a mobile prayer caravan!!!)
http://www.inspiremagazine.org.uk/Stories/National?storyaction=view&storyid=2169
There you go ......
Gee thanks
I only provided the live link ......
Prayer isn't my thing either
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Why does a caravanning club need a chaplain? How much does it cost to have a chaplain? Is it just another jobs for the boys/girls scenario?
Jay, my comment wasn't particularly aimed at you, it just came after one of your posts. However your initial post came over in a negative manner to me personally. I am not particularly religious myself but can easily see the potential value of this person...
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If Head Office staff need a chaplain then appoint one to work there by all means . I just question the point of having a chaplain in Worcestershire when Head Office is in Sussex .
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