Pitching on club sites
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Every CC site we've been on in the last 2 years the wardens have told us nose in rear in doesn't matter as long as its to the right side of the peg as you look at it, one site marked the pitches where we could if so wished park across the pitch.
IanH you must either go to sites non of the rest of us use or you just do not listen to the wardens speech
At the risk of repeating myself (again) and being on the end of Rocky's caustic wit(?).........I haven't said that you cannot go nose in (or tail in, for that matter)........have I?
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So I think we're all agreed then aren't we? You can park nose in or out with the relevant corner on the peg (van to the right of it as you look from the road), put your awning (if you have one) up on the door side and your car on the other side. Simple,
really!
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Every CC site we've been on in the last 2 years the wardens have told us nose in rear in doesn't matter as long as its to the right side of the peg as you look at it, one site marked the pitches where we could if so wished park across the pitch.
IanH you must either go to sites non of the rest of us use or you just do not listen to the wardens speech
At the risk of repeating myself (again) and being on the end of Rocky's caustic wit(?).........I haven't said that you cannot go nose in (or tail in, for that matter)........have I?
Maybe not today so you must have been convinced by those of us who always knew that. Well done, that man.
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Every CC site we've been on in the last 2 years the wardens have told us nose in rear in doesn't matter as long as its to the right side of the peg as you look at it, one site marked the pitches where we could if so wished park across the pitch.
IanH you must either go to sites non of the rest of us use or you just do not listen to the wardens speech
At the risk of repeating myself (again) and being on the end of Rocky's caustic wit(?).........I haven't said that you cannot go nose in (or tail in, for that matter)........have I?
Well why argue the point every time it comes up
I know you don't like awning to awning but you don't have one so not something
you will be affected by. What is it that upsets you so much about this subject if you agree we can park nose in or rear in.0 -
Can anyone point to where it says that you can have less than 6 metres between a caravan / mh and an awning?
Some seem to be suggesting that 3 metres is acceptable?
it says so in the rules....doesnt it....?
"To avoid the spread of fire, there must be at least 6 metres spacing between facing walls of adjacent caravans, motorhomes or trailer tents and a minimum clear space of 3 metres between adjoining outfits in any direction."
i guess that the awning is part of the aforementioned 'outfit' but not specifically a caravan/mh, so as long as there is 3m between and awning and any other part of an adjacent outfit, then this is fine.
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Every CC site we've been on in the last 2 years the wardens have told us nose in rear in doesn't matter as long as its to the right side of the peg as you look at it, one site marked the pitches where we could if so wished park across the pitch.
IanH you must either go to sites non of the rest of us use or you just do not listen to the wardens speech
At the risk of repeating myself (again) and being on the end of Rocky's caustic wit(?).........I haven't said that you cannot go nose in (or tail in, for that matter)........have I?
Well why argue the point every time it comes up
I know you don't like awning to awning but you don't have one so not something
you will be affected by. What is it that upsets you so much about this subject if you agree we can park nose in or rear in.What upsets me so much? Seeing pictures of fires spreading from one unit to another........and destroying people's valued possessions and the inherent risk to lives.
I'm amazed by some of the casual attitudes to this very real danger.
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Can anyone point to where it says that you can have less than 6 metres between a caravan / mh and an awning?
Some seem to be suggesting that 3 metres is acceptable?
it says so in the rules....doesnt it....?
"To avoid the spread of fire, there must be at least 6 metres spacing between facing walls of adjacent caravans, motorhomes or trailer tents and a minimum clear space of 3 metres between adjoining outfits in any direction."
i guess that the awning is part of the aforementioned 'outfit' but not specifically a caravan/mh, so as long as there is 3m between and awning and any other part of an adjacent outfit, then this is fine.
But that doesn't mention awnings anywhere, does it?
My reading of this rule (as I've said before) is that units on adjacent pitches must be 6 metres apart. 'Units' would include awnings. Obviously so, because the 6 metre separation would need to apply to anywhere that people could be living / sleeping. Fire
doesn't discriminate between caravans and awnings.So, 6 metres between adjoining (i.e. adjacent) pitches and 3 metres between units on pitches behind, on the next row.
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But that doesn't mention awnings anywhere, does it?
My reading of this rule (as I've said before) is that units on adjacent pitches must be 6 metres apart. 'Units' would include awnings. Obviously so, because the 6 metre separation would need to apply to anywhere that people could be living
/ sleeping. Fire doesn't discriminate between caravans and awnings.So, 6 metres between adjoining (i.e. adjacent) pitches and 3 metres between units on pitches behind, on the next row.
Ian where do you get Unit from, I can't find this mentioned anywhere.
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I think you are trying to rewrite it. To me it is very clear, it specifically mentions the items that must be 6 metres apart, therefore awnings and cars must be part of the outfit. By all means disagree with rule 4c, but don't start rewriting it by inserting unit where it does not exist.
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So by your logic, it's unsafe for two caravans to be less than 6 metres apart, but perfectly safe for a caravan (or another awning) to be within 3 metres of an awning with children sleeping in it?
Oh, and you say it "specifically mentions the items that must be 6 metres apart" and yet awnings are not mentioned anywhere. As I said, a confusing rule, to which common sense must be applied.
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So by your logic, it's unsafe for two caravans to be less than 6 metres apart, but perfectly safe for a caravan (or another awning) to be within 3 metres of an awning with children sleeping in it?
I am not saying that Ian, I am just stating what the rules say. However in your post above you appear to agree with the rules, as you say a 3m spacing front to back is OK ( yes the rules say this is OK) So does fire only spread in one direction,
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Can anyone point to where it says that you can have less than 6 metres between a caravan / mh and an awning?
Some seem to be suggesting that 3 metres is acceptable?
it says so in the rules....doesnt it....?
"To avoid the spread of fire, there must be at least 6 metres spacing between facing walls of adjacent caravans, motorhomes or trailer tents and a minimum clear space of 3 metres between adjoining outfits in any direction."
i guess that the awning is part of the aforementioned 'outfit' but not specifically a caravan/mh, so as long as there is 3m between and awning and any other part of an adjacent outfit, then this is fine.
But that doesn't mention awnings anywhere, does it?
My reading of this rule (as I've said before) is that units on adjacent pitches must be 6 metres apart. 'Units' would include awnings. Obviously so, because the 6 metre separation would need to apply to anywhere that people could be living / sleeping. Fire doesn't discriminate between caravans and awnings.
So, 6 metres between adjoining (i.e. adjacent) pitches and 3 metres between units on pitches behind, on the next row.
With an awning up 3m separation is possible Ian. 6m ...... doubtful
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So by your logic, it's unsafe for two caravans to be less than 6 metres apart, but perfectly safe for a caravan (or another awning) to be within 3 metres of an awning with children sleeping in it?
Oh, and you say it "specifically mentions the items that must be 6 metres apart" and yet awnings are not mentioned anywhere. As I said, a confusing rule, to which common sense must be applied.
..Rules "are for the guidance of wise men and the obeyance of fools"0 -
So by your logic, it's unsafe for two caravans to be less than 6 metres apart, but perfectly safe for a caravan (or another awning) to be within 3 metres of an awning with children sleeping in it?
Oh, and you say it "specifically mentions the items that must be 6 metres apart" and yet awnings are not mentioned anywhere. As I said, a confusing rule, to which common sense must be applied.
..Rules "are for the guidance of wise men and the obeyance of fools"Tell that to the poor people who lost one of their most valuable possessions in two caravan fires on CC sites this year.
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So by your logic, it's unsafe for two caravans to be less than 6 metres apart, but perfectly safe for a caravan (or another awning) to be within 3 metres of an awning with children sleeping in it?
Oh, and you say it "specifically mentions the items that must be 6 metres apart" and yet awnings are not mentioned anywhere. As I said, a confusing rule, to which common sense must be applied.
..Rules "are for the guidance of wise men and the obeyance of fools"Tell that to the poor people who lost one of their most valuable possessions in two caravan fires on CC sites this year.
Was there a problem or are you doing your usual...????
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So by your logic, it's unsafe for two caravans to be less than 6 metres apart, but perfectly safe for a caravan (or another awning) to be within 3 metres of an awning with children sleeping in it?
Oh, and you say it "specifically mentions the items that must be 6 metres apart" and yet awnings are not mentioned anywhere. As I said, a confusing rule, to which common sense must be applied.
..Rules "are for the guidance of wise men and the obeyance of fools"Really? A bit like laws then - do you ignore the ones you don't like?
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Thanks, Easy. I explained that on page1. We've gone full circle.
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So by your logic, it's unsafe for two caravans to be less than 6 metres apart, but perfectly safe for a caravan (or another awning) to be within 3 metres of an awning with children sleeping in it?
Oh, and you say it "specifically mentions the items that must be 6 metres apart" and yet awnings are not mentioned anywhere. As I said, a confusing rule, to which common sense must be applied.
im not saying that the rule is specifically logical, merely that it is specific in what it says re: caravans (6m) and outfits (3m).
FWIW, i agree the rule is badly written, and i also feel that fire isnt fussy in which direction ot might spread, and so the gaps should be applied in all directions.
however, for the purpose of this debate. the rule is clear.
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So by your logic, it's unsafe for two caravans to be less than 6 metres apart, but perfectly safe for a caravan (or another awning) to be within 3 metres of an awning with children sleeping in it?
Oh, and you say it "specifically mentions the items that must be 6 metres apart" and yet awnings are not mentioned anywhere. As I said, a confusing rule, to which common sense must be applied.
..Rules "are for the guidance of wise men and the obeyance of fools"Really? A bit like laws then - do you ignore the ones you don't like?
...Guidence not ignorance
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Except that habitable spaces (i.e. caravans, motorhomes or awnings) should not be within 6 metres of each other (not 3 metres)........because people might be living / sleeping in them and they can also contain heaters, cooking equipment and gas cylinders.
That is why tents have to be 6 metres apart on camp sites.......well, sensibly regulated ones, anyway.
An awning is basically a tent.
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So by your logic, it's unsafe for two caravans to be less than 6 metres apart, but perfectly safe for a caravan (or another awning) to be within 3 metres of an awning with children sleeping in it?
Oh, and you say it "specifically mentions the items that must be 6 metres apart" and yet awnings are not mentioned anywhere. As I said, a confusing rule, to which common sense must be applied.
im not saying that the rule is specifically logical, merely that it is specific in what it says re: caravans (6m) and outfits (3m).
FWIW, i agree the rule is badly written, and i also feel that fire isnt fussy in which direction ot might spread, and so the gaps should be applied in all directions.
however, for the purpose of this debate. the rule is clear.
I agree, the rule is very clear. That's why the wardens instructions when you arrive say Car / caravan / Awning.......to maintain that 6 metre seperation between the bits that burn and contain people.
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Would those who, because of others abiding with the CC rules and pitching door to door, find sitting outside their van having a meal in close proximity to other campers, something they find dreadful and cannot stand..., please explain how they manage in
a resturant or a cafe.K
Maybe they don't go to cafes etc to eat!!
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So by your logic, it's unsafe for two caravans to be less than 6 metres apart, but perfectly safe for a caravan (or another awning) to be within 3 metres of an awning with children sleeping in it?
Oh, and you say it "specifically mentions the items that must be 6 metres apart" and yet awnings are not mentioned anywhere. As I said, a confusing rule, to which common sense must be applied.
im not saying that the rule is specifically logical, merely that it is specific in what it says re: caravans (6m) and outfits (3m).
FWIW, i agree the rule is badly written, and i also feel that fire isnt fussy in which direction ot might spread, and so the gaps should be applied in all directions.
however, for the purpose of this debate. the rule is clear.
Good evening BB.
And as a number of times this week I am in full argrement with you (long may this continue btw). There is clearly an difference betwwen caravan (MH) and outfit otherwise why have 6m for one and 3m for another.
Also the proof of the pudding (or pitching) is that on club sites this happens on a daily basis and has been for years
(Yes I know some sites are non awning only)
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So by your logic, it's unsafe for two caravans to be less than 6 metres apart, but perfectly safe for a caravan (or another awning) to be within 3 metres of an awning with children sleeping in it?
Oh, and you say it "specifically mentions the items that must be 6 metres apart" and yet awnings are not mentioned anywhere. As I said, a confusing rule, to which common sense must be applied.
im not saying that the rule is specifically logical, merely that it is specific in what it says re: caravans (6m) and outfits (3m).
FWIW, i agree the rule is badly written, and i also feel that fire isnt fussy in which direction ot might spread, and so the gaps should be applied in all directions.
however, for the purpose of this debate. the rule is clear.
I agree, the rule is very clear. That's why the wardens instructions when you arrive say Car / caravan / Awning.......to maintain that 6 metre seperation between the bits that burn and contain people.
Think carefully. I assume that you use CC sites. On most sites, assuming that there is an awning up, do you think for a moment that there is 6m to the car on the adjacent pitcn? The answer is NO
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So by your logic, it's unsafe for two caravans to be less than 6 metres apart, but perfectly safe for a caravan (or another awning) to be within 3 metres of an awning with children sleeping in it?
Oh, and you say it "specifically mentions the items that must be 6 metres apart" and yet awnings are not mentioned anywhere. As I said, a confusing rule, to which common sense must be applied.
im not saying that the rule is specifically logical, merely that it is specific in what it says re: caravans (6m) and outfits (3m).
FWIW, i agree the rule is badly written, and i also feel that fire isnt fussy in which direction ot might spread, and so the gaps should be applied in all directions.
however, for the purpose of this debate. the rule is clear.
Good evening BB.
And as a number of times this week I am in full argrement with you (long may this continue btw). There is clearly an difference betwwen caravan (MH) and outfit otherwise why have 6m for one and 3m for another.
Also the proof of the pudding (or pitching) is that on club sites this happens on a daily basis and has been for years
(Yes I know some sites are non awning only)
Corners, good evening.
yes, agreed on the differences within the rule. it is a mystery why these should exist as i don't have any reason to know the rate of fire transfer between the different elements of 'an outfit'.
im guessing that the club might not necessarily know the answer either.
there may also be the knowledge that, should 6m in all directions become the norm, the number of pitches on each site would (more than likely) drop....
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I agree, the rule is very clear. That's why the wardens instructions when you arrive say Car / caravan / Awning.......to maintain that 6 metre seperation between the bits that burn and contain people.
I think we can all agree the rule isn't logical Ian. Why is it OK for your awning, which may contain sleeping people, to be within 3 m of a car. Which may have just returned red hot, from an evening off site. There have been quite a few instances of vehicles
catching fire. Logic would dictate that the separation should be 6m here as well. However, the penalty would be less pitches and higher prices. I suppose, as with all things in life, the risk of something happening has to be weighed up and put against the
cost of making something totally safe.0 -
Alan, i think Ian means that folk dont sleep in the car....?
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