Pitching on club sites
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We were at High Onn recently, we had trouble with our battery, the warden came and helped us move the van onto the pitch, nose first. He reckoned it was a good idea to face the view.
At Trewethett Farm, all the vans face the view, wardens seem fine with it.
Then there is Bunree.
As long as you park the van where it ought to be, to maintain a safe spacing, we have never found a warden who was bothered which way round it was.
How do you survive continental sites Ian......no rules, people pitching how they like on most sites?
Didn't know tjere was a view at High Onn
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I take it that you ignore Club rules and pitching instructions and see them as a joke then, ET?
Rather disrespectful of your fellow members, I would say.
I am sure Ian that you are well aware that nose in or nose out are both acceptable on 99% of CC sites but choose to ignore the fact.
Alan
As I've said at least twice that nose in or out is acceptable, I don't understand your post.
If you don't have an awning and therefore go either way in, then it would seem that we don't have a different opinion on this matter and I apologise for saying that you ignore the rules, if that is the case.
As far as I am concerned an awnihg has nowt to do with it Ian
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if a continental caravan reversed onto the pitch 'to the peg' as per the rules, i would expect their car to go to the right, as viewed from the road....and their awning to be on the door side, ie the left as viewed from the road
so, we have awning, caravan, car as viewed from the road.
have i missed something?.....the van is in the correct position and the other two items (ancilliaries) are the prescribed 3m from other units/ancilliaries.....is this not permitted?
i understand that this configuration might lead to two awnings facing each other, but surely this is shpuld present no problem?
I agree
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if a continental caravan reversed onto the pitch 'to the peg' as per the rules, i would expect their car to go to the right, as viewed from the road....and their awning to be on the door side, ie the left as viewed from the road
so, we have awning, caravan, car as viewed from the road.
have i missed something?.....the van is in the correct position and the other two items (ancilliaries) are the prescribed 3m from other units/ancilliaries.....is this not permitted?
i understand that this configuration might lead to two awnings facing each other, but surely this is shpuld present no problem?
It does to some BB, there has been heated discussions on this being an invasion of privacy.
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I take it that you ignore Club rules and pitching instructions and see them as a joke then, ET?
Rather disrespectful of your fellow members, I would say.
I am sure Ian that you are well aware that nose in or nose out are both acceptable on 99% of CC sites but choose to ignore the fact.
Alan
As I've said at least twice that nose in or out is acceptable, I don't understand your post.
If you don't have an awning and therefore go either way in, then it would seem that we don't have a different opinion on this matter and I apologise for saying that you ignore the rules, if that is the case.
I acknowledge your apology too as I also never suggested that folk should break the rules as you suggested. In fact I suggested they follow the rules, afterall the rule advocates that we ask if we wish to pitch differently.
Apology acknowledged!
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....the van is in the correct position and the other two items (ancilliaries) are the prescribed 3m from other units/ancilliaries.....
Thanks for explaining it that way. I now see where 98% of the confusion is arising.
The awning is NOT an ancilliary. It also is considered habitation (whether one sleeps in it is another rmatter). So both the 'van and the awning have to be six meters minimum from adjacent awning or 'van. I like to think of the awning and 'van combination
as sitting on a "habitation rectangle", the corner of which is marked by the peg. Which way round these two units are placed does not matter as long as they stay within that rectangle. So sometimes the 'van is to the peg, and sometimes the awning.The tow vehicles does not come into any of this as it sits in the 6 meter minimum gap between habitation rectangles. Convention seems to be that it is generally to the left (looking from access roadway) of the habitation rectangle it serves.
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....the van is in the correct position and the other two items (ancilliaries) are the prescribed 3m from other units/ancilliaries.....
Thanks for explaining it that way. I now see where 98% of the confusion is arising.
The awning is NOT an ancilliary. It also is considered habitation (whether one sleeps in it is another rmatter). So both the 'van and the awning have to be six meters minimum from adjacent awning or 'van. I like to think of the awning and 'van combination
as sitting on a "habitation rectangle", the corner of which is marked by the peg. Which way round these two units are placed does not matter as long as they stay within that rectangle. So sometimes the 'van is to the peg, and sometimes the awning.The tow vehicles does not come into any of this as it sits in the 6 meter minimum gap between habitation rectangles. Convention seems to be that it is generally to the left (looking from access roadway) of the habitation rectangle it serves.
Where does the bit about habition come from Nav. I can only find the advice given in 4c
"To avoid the spread of fire, there must be at least 6 metres spacing between facing walls of adjacent caravans, motorhomes or trailer tents and a minimum clear space of 3 metres between adjoining outfits in any direction."
Following this guidance an awning would only have to be 3m plus the width of a car / space for barrels from an adjoining van. It is only the primary items, van / MH / trailer tent that have to be 6metres apart.
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If having a van door / awning facing you is a problem, Abbey Wood is certainly one to avoid. Due to the number of continental vans and fairly rapid turn over. We had a couple of vans with doors facing us during our week long stay. Due to the very hot weather
in September, folk were even eating outside their vans, adjacent to each other. I must agree with BB if this is a problem to you, a CC site is probably not the best option. As facing doors on units is permitted under the regulations, and due to the size of
a lot of sites these are often not that far apart.0 -
You asked for the reason for parking on the peg. The simple answer is
Safety for
all on site. To maintain a safe distance of 6m between facing walls of caravans/MHs. It's in the rules and guidance. You can, I understand, now park nose in or out but you must follow
the instructions of the warden (which they give to you upon arrival) as pitches can vary on some sites.0 -
The rule (4b) specifically tells us/invites us to ask if we wish to pitch differently! And therefore asking the wardens about the possibility is encouraged! It is those who do so without seeking guidance first and just do as they please who break the rules
not those of us who ask about the possibility and are the rule abiders.I agree.
ET - I assume that you ask and get permission every time that you pitch differently to the diagram that you are given?
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"To avoid the spread of fire, there must be at least 6 metres spacing between facing walls of adjacent caravans, motorhomes or trailer tents and a minimum clear space of 3 metres between adjoining outfits in any direction."
I have to say, this rule is not very well written.
It seems that adjacent caravans etc (i.e. those on either side of each other, on adjacent pitches) must be 6 metres apart. They must also be 3 metres apart from any caravans etc in other directions (presumably, the row behind?).
Where are awnings mentioned in any of this?
I assume that the awning is included as part of the caravan, on the basis that they are both places where people could be living / sleeping..
In which case, the only way to achieve 6 metres on most pitches would be to have a space, a car and then the next caravan. Awnings facing each other would be closer than 6 metres, because one of them would be in the space where the car should go.
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Both times we pitched nose in we've asked the wardens and it's not been a problem. In fact at Troutbeck Head they seemed rather surprised that we'd even asked since the views at the bottom of the site almost make it inevitable that you'll want to do that.
I agree with BB and Steve about the privacy issue - it must be very rare to end up with two awnings facing each other, although doubtless it does happen. But privacy in a large open public space such as a CC site is dubious at best and if it is really that
important, maybe a CL would suit better (or a different style of holiday!)0 -
Could the answer lie partly in this rule below as the 6m rule would keep that separation of gas cylinders?
12 b. Please note the maximum size of LPG cylinder permitted on site is 15 kilograms; cylinders should be
stored upright in the locker provided by the caravan or motorhome manufacturer.0 -
Would those who, because of others abiding with the CC rules and pitching door to door, find sitting outside their van having a meal in close proximity to other campers, something they find dreadful and cannot stand..., please explain how they manage in a resturant or a cafe.
K
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the peg system is set up so that there is at least 6m between caravans on non awning pitches and three m to the next car or caravan, Awning pitches will certainly have more than 6m to the next caravan
and will have at least 3m between your car/awning and the next car/awning. That's why some pitches are awning and non awning. It's all to do with the spacing between them.An awning pitch will probably have at least 9m between caravans to have a car gap awning. (or awning gap car)
Apologies to MH, I'm just using a van as it takes more space (normally)
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We pitch which ever way suits us within the rules. As our van tends to be lower at the front we often drive onto a pitch that slopes down to the site road especially if its only for 1 night, this way we don't have to use the ramps to level the van. We prefer
to reverse onto a pitch as our sleeping area is at the rear of the van, so if we have no vans behind us, just grass or hedges then that is our preference as its usually quieter. However if the views are better the other way then we will drive in. When abroad
we quite often park across the pitch as this is allowed, if we are on a South facing pitch it means we get sun all day. We have often parked where we would be facing our neighbours awning, we don't have a problem with it and if we are there first then they
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The rule (4b) specifically tells us/invites us to ask if we wish to pitch differently! And therefore asking the wardens about the possibility is encouraged! It is those who do so without seeking guidance first and just do as they please who break the rules
not those of us who ask about the possibility and are the rule abiders.I agree.
ET - I assume that you ask and get permission every time that you pitch differently to the diagram that you are given?
No. The club has said in the past that it is OK to pitch either nose in or nose out. So why would I ask?
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The rule (4b) specifically tells us/invites us to ask if we wish to pitch differently! And therefore asking the wardens about the possibility is encouraged! It is those who do so without seeking guidance first and just do as they please who break the rules not those of us who ask about the possibility and are the rule abiders.
I agree.
ET - I assume that you ask and get permission every time that you pitch differently to the diagram that you are given?
No. The club has said in the past that it is OK to pitch either nose in or nose out. So why would I ask?
Because that's what it says to do in the rules?
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Every CC site we've been on in the last 2 years the wardens have told us nose in rear in doesn't matter as long as its to the right side of the peg as you look at it, one site marked the pitches where we could if so wished park across the pitch.
IanH you must either go to sites non of the rest of us use or you just do not listen to the wardens speech
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Can anyone point to where it says that you can have less than 6 metres between a caravan / mh and an awning?
Some seem to be suggesting that 3 metres is acceptable?
My money is on you getting gold before our Malc Ian, very committed
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