Should users be fined?
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It's a thought but unenforceable, I think.
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DD, People ruining the grass by using groundsheets on grass pitches should indeed be fined. There is no such thing as a groundsheet which will not damage grass after a while, even the so-called breathable groundsheet. If the CC banned the use of groundsheets
on grass pitches completely, it wouldnt bother me in the least.Groundsheets are ok for gravel hardstandings so no problem there.
K
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Just ban all groundsheets ffom grass pitches.
"Breathable" ones are just as bad. When I was at school we were told it was Chlorophyll that kept grass green "breathable" has nothing to do with it.
No sunlight = no Chlorophyll = sour yellow grass = dead grass.
We crossed Kennine.
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Or make a charge for them....
...hence why some sites charge for an awning?....the extra cost of maintenance?
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Ban all ground sheets on grass would indeed be the simple answer. A fine is probably unenforceable (and would surely rely on "warden's discretion" as to how seriously the grass was damaged). Charging would just play into the hands of the irresponsible "I've
paid for it, so what" minded.Better education of users would be preferable though.
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DD, People ruining the grass by using groundsheets on grass pitches should indeed be fined. There is no such thing as a groundsheet which will not damage grass after a while, even the so-called breathable groundsheet. If the CC banned the use of groundsheets
on grass pitches completely, it wouldnt bother me in the least.Groundsheets are ok for gravel hardstandings so no problem there.
K
Totally agree.
Exactly what we found at Godrevy last year. Even MHs with no awning or only a canopy had some type of groundsheet. Most looked like plastic or tarpaulin type.
Most pitches were in a terrible state. OH mentioned the bare mud to the wardens, they agreed groundsheets were the problem, but did not appear to be taking much action.
2 MHs near reception, in full view, never took up their groundsheets, and wardens have no way of checking what is going on inside a caravan awning.
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Interestingly, we had a conversation with a site owner last year who said that 'breathable' groundsheets are not a problem. It's the '"flaps" round the base of the awning, and anything like mats or other stuff in the awning that leave the grass yellow.
He showed us the difference between pitches where there had been caravans with and without awnings. We could quite clearly see his point.
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The mud flaps do indeed cause problems as they stop daylight getting through but the site owner has got it wrong about breathables. Without light, grass cannot survive for long. I actually bought the Aldi breathable one because several people told me they were fine and I allowed myself to be convinced. The grass yellowed and I took it up as soon as I noticed. It's for sale if anyone want's it.
To be honest, I have always wondered why some use a groundsheet on grass anyway. If I knock over my wine glass I would not want it all over a groundsheet. We just use a small square to put the boots on and even that comes up during the day.
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Sorry Fysherman, but the site owner was not wrong! He showed us pitches where we could clearly see where people had had mats etc.
When we left, the only place the grass had yellowed was where the mud flaps had been, and where we had our table and other stuff. The grass where the actual groundsheet was. was still green and perfectly fine!
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Part of the problem must be the "white peg" which leads to the same patch of grass being used time and again for the awning
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Can agree with this
Sorry Fysherman, but the site owner was not wrong! He showed us pitches where we could clearly see where people had had mats etc.
When we left, the only place the grass had yellowed was where the mud flaps had been, and where we had our table and other stuff.
But this goes against all science, at least as I understand it.
"The grass where the actual groundsheet was. was still green and perfectly fine!"
I am at a total loss to explain how this is possible so I wont try. It's a strange one.
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newer sites tend to all hardstanding so this might become an issue of the past?
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Hi Corners, you are a teacher, how can grass make chlorophyll through a groundsheet?
I am sure LR is not making it up but this is puzzling me.
not sure I follow you, my post merely stated that there will be fewer grass pitches as time goes on so the issue of needing groundsheets will diminish, I was not following on from LR just making a point about the the OP question
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Plenty of light coming in from the awning 'windows' doors & roof. You can disbelieve me if you want to
Hang on,
please read my previous post. I dont disbelive you but I am asking how a groundsheet (which must block daylight) allows
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Hi Corners, you are a teacher, how can grass make chlorophyll through a groundsheet?
I am sure LR is not making it up but this is puzzling me.
not sure I follow you, my post merely stated that there will be fewer grass pitches as time goes on so the issue of needing groundsheets will diminish, I was not following on from LR just making a point about the the OP question
Ok, never mind. I just thought you might have been able to help answer something.
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If awnings are a problem, imagine the problems created by tents which invariably have impervious groundsheets. The answer seems to be in excellent pitch management. A commercial site site we often used as tent-campers, and now as caravaners, always has its grass pitches in perfect condition. How? Tents are only allowed to remain on a given grass pitch for a maximum of 4days ...THEN the pitch is 'rested' untill recovered. If a tenter does not want to move mid-stay, he has to use a harstanding pitch. If pitches are still recovering, they will turn business away if necessary.
Perhaps a similar policy could apply to awnings?
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Plenty of light coming in from the awning 'windows' doors & roof. You can disbelieve me if you want to
Hang on,
please read my previous post. I dont disbelive you but I am asking how a groundsheet (which must block daylight) allows
chlorophyil to be made.I am no scientist Fysherman ..... but when you have green grass growing through your groundsheet .... that grass is not dead
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I had a long conversation about this earlier this month when I went out to unplug the EHU cable to let a warden mow where it was lying. The ajoining pitch had been vacated very early that day by a customer who had been there for over a week and there were
livid yellow patches all over it.The warden told me it happens all the time on grass, and that the spots where jack pads, wheels and water containers have stood recover within a few days. What does not recover however is where the bottom of an inflatable awning has been in contact with
the ground. That seems to kill the grass such that it does not spring up anew, but has to grow in again from the sides.I suggested to him that all vans on grass should be moved every three or four days, but he said it would not make a lot of difference. Sure enough the bit of yellow not covered by the next residents awning had not recovered when we left a week later.
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Plenty of light coming in from the awning 'windows' doors & roof. You can disbelieve me if you want to
Hang on,
please read my previous post. I dont disbelive you but I am asking how a groundsheet (which must block daylight) allows chlorophyil to be made.I am no scientist Fysherman ..... but when you have green grass growing through your groundsheet .... that grass is not dead
Mayby you are not but I am and and until someone can explain how things work I don't buy it but I would never be so crude to insult you in such a way LR
Perhaps you have now provided a partial answer, the holes are so large in the groundsheet the grass grows through it. I have never seen such a groundsheet. The Aldi one has tiny holes.
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@ Fysherman ..... my ground sheet looks similar to & has the feel of some of the rubbery none slip matting. The holes in it are about 3/16" across .... plenty big enough for grass to grow though it if we're pitched long enough.
Thanks MM ....same as ours
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