Waste Water
Having taken our Waste Water Carrier each time in France we have never used it because it was straight to the ground. We are going again this time to the Gulf of Morbihan do we take it or not. Any help would be appreciated.We are going at the end of the
month.
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unlike a MHer, you cant store your waste water (except in the wastemaster) so you will need to consider what you do if not on a serviced pitch.
small collapsible buckets are recommended by many, but i dont think they are any good if you shower in the van and use more than a bucketful of water....
so, i guess its down to the type of pitches you use, if confident on being able to dump waste as you generate it, then ypull be ok, if not.....
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This is a useful alternative to the Wastemaster and has already been mentioned by some posters. It is reasonably compact and holds 23lt which is easy enough to be dispose of the grey water by lifting it at a chemical emptying point if need be.
David
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We have something like David's picture above - but like others never let waste water go directly to ground. If invited we will pour it around the trees and shrubs well away from pitching areas, or if not in the disposal point for WC's or grey water (some
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We got one of those small ones with our present van, I have it somewhere in the garage.
We mainly use our own facilities so take along our Wastemaster, plus enough pipe to use on serviced pitches.
It all fits easily in our front locker.
One of the first things we ask about is the toilet and waste emptying and if told to use the toilet emptying (which usually involves a bit of a lift) we see if we can find a pitch close to the MHSP, where emptying the Wastemaster is very easy.
Otherwise we just empty it more frequently.
Would never go with only a small bucket.
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the thing is, with MH chassis getting lower and lower, fitting any sort of container underneath the ridiculous waste taps is a struggle.
ok, DK has a Fiamma one, but its obvious it wont fit under the tap....So, how many small cupfuls (well its not a bucket, is it?) does it take to decant the waste from there into the Fiamma to then make the trip to the disposal point worth while?...5,6,7...?
who wants to be bent over opening and closing a tap half a dozen times just to get rid of 23ltrs....
even Chas' old faithful black jerry can wont fit under many modern vans' plumbing....
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I perhaps should of made my post clearer we use the waste water to water the Bushes that is what most did on the sites we visited in France , We do not shower in the Van and use the Pot washing facilities As the op said about being evicted from site i presume he means in the UK.
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On our trip to France in May/June, it was very wet, on several sites the pitches were very wet. On our way home we stopped a few nights at a site in Nancy, an ACSI card site so it was very busy.
The pitches were serviced so we connected to the water, but could not connect waste as the drain was "uphill" from the van (now who thought that was a good idea?!) so got out the Wastemaster.
After we got settled in another few vans arrived, one a British van. They connected up water too, but did nothing with the waste, just let it flow directly onto the already sodden pitch.
Not good.
Don't know what they did for showers, but they did wash up in the van.
And they and another British vanner opposite emptied their chemical toilets into one of the ordinary toilets in the block instead of taking them to the designated emptying point.
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We gave up using the Wastemaster a few years ago as it was impossible to keep the inside clean and odour free. We now use a bucket because, like Deleted User User, we don't use ther onboard shower and rarely wash-up in the'van. The bucket gets emptied once a
day, either into a grid, down a waste disposal point or waters the trees depending on the site. The bucket is easy to clean out after use and is easier to handle and store.0 -
Extract from
Arrêté du 17 février 2014 relatif à l'obligation pour les terrains de camping ou de caravanage ainsi que pour les parcs résidentiels de loisirs de disposer d'un modèle de règlement intérieur et d'une notice d'information sur les conditions
de location des emplacements à l'année
NOR: ACTI1318894A
Version consolidée au 12 août 2016Il est interdit de jeter des eaux usées sur le sol ou dans les caniveaux.
Les clients doivent vider les eaux usées dans les installations prévues à cet effet.0 -
We do use our onboard facillities so we generate more grey water than some.
We carry various lengths of waste hose that we put into the bushes if appropriate and we also carry a collapsible bucket for quick transit stops. However we also carry a Wastemaster for all the other situations.
Carrying it is no issue for us as we store it in exactly the same place in the caravan overseas as we do when camping in the UK.
Don't think the caravan realises it's not in the UK so it's perfectly happy
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Extract from
Arrêté du 17 février 2014 relatif à l'obligation pour les terrains de camping ou de caravanage ainsi que pour les parcs résidentiels de loisirs de disposer d'un modèle de règlement intérieur et d'une notice d'information sur les conditions
de location des emplacements à l'année
NOR: ACTI1318894A
Version consolidée au 12 août 2016Il est interdit de jeter des eaux usées sur le sol ou dans les caniveaux.
Les clients doivent vider les eaux usées dans les installations prévues à cet effet.Just a pity so many sites dont comply then
They don't comply because if they did they would be denuded of flowers and trees - or have to make extra charges to campers for water useage as water is not cheap in France. For some sites in dry areas useage of waste water to water plants, in areas not
likely to be pitched on by others, is essential. We always ask what to do with our waste water - and if requested we will water trees and bushes - but our water is clean, not used for washing up, bleaching, or contains food waste. It's basically water used
for washing vegetables, rinsing hands, or wiping down surfaces.Even in our dry area in France, we have been requested by the Mairie to save washing up water for watering the plants and flowers around the village as there is a severe water shortage due to lack of rain.
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The whole water management issue is very different in warmer climates. No shivering to walk to the block for showers or washing up, consequently you rarely see people with water containers and it's always a bucket for waste which never seems to get emptied.
During the droughts in this country we were being urged to use bath water for the garden. What's the difference?
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Agreed, The waste master in France can cause problems! I well remember out first trip, probably about 20 years ago & we were camped at Avignon, - just opposite the Pont!
The waste master was full and of course I couldnt find anywhere to empty it, so on espying a rain water drain I commenced to empty it down there. Up rushes a very excited Frenchman shouting and gesticulting and I quickly realised that he thought I was emptying
the toilet cassette down there. (He had clearly never ever seen a waste master before). I adopted my best pigeon French and he eventually realised it was grey water I was pouring away so was much happier.I later realised of course that The Brits are almost the only caravanners that make use of onboard facilities so the disposal of waste water is not an issue for them, - they produce very little of it.
Ah well Cest La Vie.
TF
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the thing is, with MH chassis getting lower and lower, fitting any sort of container underneath the ridiculous waste taps is a struggle.
ok, DK has a Fiamma one, but its obvious it wont fit under the tap....So, how many small cupfuls (well its not a bucket, is it?) does it take to decant the waste from there into the Fiamma to then make the trip to the disposal point worth while?...5,6,7...?
who wants to be bent over opening and closing a tap half a dozen times just to get rid of 23ltrs....
even Chas' old faithful black jerry can wont fit under many modern vans' plumbing....
Quite right, our van is so low that a bucket won't go under, we have a collapsible one like DK but it holds very little waste water its not worth the effort. Chas's old faithful black jerry can is also too high, we managed to get hold of a flatter 20l container
that fits under on sites where we have the ramps in use. On sites that we don't need them OH drilled a hole in the top corner of the container (when laid flat) he then slides the container under the van with the hole lined up to the tap, as its at the top
he can then lift the container just before getting full and empty it as normal, he has a bung that he can use to stop it splashing out if its got to full.0 -
never mind TG, I just read that one of the Bailey improvements for 2017 is to run on a (even) lower AL-KO chassis....
I have a short length of manufacturer supplied bendy pipe that screws onto the waste pipe and helps where slipping a container underneath is an issue....
luckily, our 'tap/release valve' is inside the van so it doesnt add to the reduction in height as those outside taps can...
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There are times when I'm glad that simple things still work !
No buckets, collapsible thingys, grey water hoggs for me -- I'm still satisfied with the sites grey dump & my length of guttering for directing the gunge down that hole ! I know it means moving the 'van occasionally,
but exercise is good for the soul, or so I'm told !0 -
I know the OP was about France, but just for information, should any caravanners venture further north for a change, in Scandinavia, particularly Sweden, the use of a bucket is frowned upon.
Many sites have a rule that a "closed container" must be used to collect waste water. By this they mean a Wastemaster/Fiamma type, a flat jerrycan as illustrated previously, or one of those flexible "air bed" types frequently seen in Germany.
Bucket is fine for transporting waste from a MH, but not to used as a permanent waste water catcher.
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We always use serviced pitches whenever possible and as stated earlier sometime the flow of waste water is compromised by the need to go up hill. So we now have a 'telescopic' solid pipe system copied from the following https://caravanchronicles.com/2013/05/26/connecting-your-drainage-on-serviced-pitches/
It cost less than £10 and so far has accomodated all the different drainage locations. It has the advantage over the flexible pipes that the tube inner is smooth so drains easily. For storage, the pipes slide inside each other.0 -
I have a short length of manufacturer supplied bendy pipe that screws onto the waste pipe and helps where slipping a container underneath is an issue..
Yes we have a couple of lengths that can be joined together, some of the Cl's we use tell you to just let it go into the hedge.0
