Pay per mile car tax discussions
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My post was copied from Gov uk.
GuidanceVehicle tax for electric and low emission vehicles
How the Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) changes from 1 April 2025 will affect your vehicle.
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Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency
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9 April 2024
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My _hope_ is that road pricing would either apply to all, or would apply to new registrations only post 2025. To target EV between 2017 and now would be mad given they would be paying the same road tax as every other contemporary car and are cleaner than everything else on the road.
The government’s target surely needs to be both replacing revenue from fuel duty while continuing to incentivise low carbon vehicles?0 -
In the days when transport was horse or beast drawn, cities had toll gates. Now they call it congestion or emission charges. It’s still the same thing - it was a revenue/ income for land owners and now local councils, one that is funded by the traveller.
VED is a government revenue/income also funded by the traveller.
They do not go into the same pot.
I do not see either one disappearing. I foresee EV’s taking on these burden more as ICE disappears.
As “dirty” ICE is replaced with “cleaner” EV, the term Low Emission Charge will most certainly be renamed. That revenue will not be given up!
London, is introducing a toll on the Blackwall tunnel. How long before others follow and more “crossing” charges appear for the traveller?
Please don’t forget the fuel duty on petrol and diesel. I bet that there is someone looking into somehow moving that over to the EV user.
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A was posted in the article by Freddie, it’s exactly the Fuel duty that is being targeted for replacement by given. It’s not a hole in the tax revenue yet, but soon will be.
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Road Pricing would be a neat solution that covers both the falling revenue from fuel duty whilst also providing revenue from EV's without needing to complicate matters by trying to tax separately electricity used to charge EV's? I suppose the question of differing rates of VED will eventually solve itself as the last ICE cars fall off the system?
David
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If vehicles were fitted with trackers how would that work for those taking it abroad, who it recognise that it's out of the UK.
Who is going to fit all these trackers, it's hard enough to get an appointment with a garage for servicing and mot.
We have discussed this at home and can't see how it's going to work, to open to deceit.
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TG
There are probably two options. One possibility would be a GPS tracker fitted in the car and the other option would be by ANPR cameras. If it was the latter it would perhaps suggest that a lot of minor roads, at least in the short term would not be covered by the system which might be of help to those in more remote areas? If it was a tracker I imagine it would be rather like a French Motorway Tag, so self fit? If it was ANPR there would be nothing to fit. If you were abroad there would be no monitoring once you had left the UK. I think the technology is already available but probably not fitted in sufficient places yet. They seem to manage perfectly well in London already? Hopefully this is not an additional tax but in place of others.
David
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We have discussed this at home and can't see how it's going to work, to open to deceit.
I am sure there will be ways, many fleet owners track their vehicles already and trucks are fitted with digital tachographs which I think are tamper proof. You can get insurance tied to how far and how you drive all monitored with a little black box.
peedee
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I just think if it was a GPS tracker it would need to be tamper proof so that would mean having it fitted, rather than a simple plug and play kind of device as that would just be so open to dishonesty
We already know that even the truckers tachographs can and do get 'adjusted'
I don't find the idea of pay per mile a bad thing, if its to replace both the fuel duty and the road fund tax. Neither of which are a fair system given that some folk live in rural areas and have to travel great distances for things like medical appointments and work.
DK, thanks for your reply.
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