Excise Licence (Road Tax) for EV's

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  • ChocolateTrees
    ChocolateTrees Forum Participant Posts: 432
    edited November 2022 #32

    I believe so for cars registered after 2025? Not sure if the luxury tax is retrospectively applied for EVs registered after 2017 and before 2025. Either way, it's either the same as ICE or a little better. 

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    The Luxury tax is only applicable to EVs registered after 2025. 

    HMRC page

    The changes all come in in 2025, so 2023 and 2024 are still VED free and Lux exempt for EV, and older (2001 to 2017) low emissions vehicles (sub 99g co2/km). 

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2022 #33

    The article gives buyers a very good platform of what to check and ask questions about the pre owned BEV being looked at 

    And as they are m such heavier than ice vehicles iare more prone to hidden tyre damage

  • ChocolateTrees
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    edited November 2022 #34

    EVs are really no more prone to tyre damage than any other car of a similar weight. 

    VW ID3 GWW 2270kg

    Polestar 2 GVW 2,390 to 2,600 kg

    Volvo V60 GVW 2240 kg to 2530kg

    Yes a V60 is bigger than an ID3, but the tyres don't care. Use the right kit, it's not a problem. Thats not an Electric Vehicle thing, its just a vehicle thing. 

     

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2022 #35

    Tell that to the motoring correspondent at the cccundecided

  • ChocolateTrees
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    edited November 2022 #36

    Yeah - not calling you out JVB, it's just a daft thing to point out (by the CCC). Cars are heavy and getting heavier. The right equipment and parts has always been needed to run them correctly.

    There was an article in the Express a few days ago saying that towing with an EV that was not designed for towing might damage its regenerative breaking system, and then went on to point out a bunch of EVs that were not suitable for towing, as well as some that are. The article should have said towing with any vehicle that is not type approved for towing might damage the vehicle (suspension, transmission, breaks, chassis etc). It picked on regenerative breaking because it's "unique" to EVs. Except its not and is embedded in all hybrids today - so almost all new ICE cars too!

    These articles that point out "EV" issues that are simply nothing to do with EVs infuriate me. They are click bait at best, and anti-ev propaganda at worst, trying to offer some crumb of validity to the idea that EVs are flawed idea waiting to fail. It's utter rubbish. 

  • Robert
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    edited December 2022 #37

    I suppose it one of them cases you love them or hate them 

    Personally think we are being ripped off with price of EV they are about 8/10 £1000 dearer than ICE even tho there is no VAT on them put Vat on would you buy one???

    Son-in-law has one was pleased with it to start with but  absolutely shocked at difference the freezing weather has reduced his available miles down to his is a BMW company car says if he had to buy a car would not be a EV  No he does not tow with it 

    No I am not a fan of them still lot of work to be done 

  • JVB66
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    edited December 2022 #38

    Have you read the rest of the article in the ccc magazine ref buying a used EV?laughing

  • ChocolateTrees
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    edited December 2022 #39

    EVs do attract VAT…

    Mine looses about 10% in poor weather, the same as an ICE does. 

  • ChocolateTrees
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    edited December 2022 #40

    No, not a CCC member, so have no access to it. 

    Apart from “watch out that a used car has appropriate tyres that suit it” what else does it say?

    “Check the brake disks and pads for corrosion because they are almost never used”, or “Listen for bearing and differential noise, because it’s about the only part of the transmission that could wear out”?

    Just wondering… ;-) wink

     

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited December 2022 #42

    The difference is that the displays in an EV make it more obvious than a conventional fuel gauge does. 

  • ChocolateTrees
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    edited December 2022 #43

    https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/fuel-economy-cold-weather#:~:text=Cold%20weather%20and%20winter%20driving,to%204%2Dmile)%20trips

    ICE generate more power in cold conditions because the dense cold air allows for more expansion per piston stroke. But ICE engines also suffer from cold fluids increasing viscosity. However the real impact on both ICE and EV is from dense air (increased drag), cold tyres (increased drag) and wet or snowy roads (increased drag). The impact is identical on any engine type. It’s more noticeable in an EV because of the over all shorter range. If you are driving 200 miles and have 200 miles range, 10% loss is very noticeable. If you are driving 200 miles and have 400 miles range, you don’t notice at all. Of course if you have 200 miles range and are only driving 150, you don’t notice that either. 

    https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/fuel-economy-cold-weather#:~:text=Cold weather and winter driving,to 4-mile) trips

  • redface
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    edited February 2023 #44

    I would never buy an EV simply because I would not want to have to tether it every night to my household electricity supply, nor go on a long trip and have to join a queue for a fast charge at a pfs. or motorway service station.

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited February 2023 #45

    Unless you are getting on in years you might not get the choicewink

    My eldest son has an EV and he charges it via his house supply. He gets his electricity from Octopus Energy and they do an overnight rate of 12p per Kwh which is much cheaper than going to a fast charger. OK he has had to pay for the charger to be installed. Everything is controlled by an App on his phone. 

    I am of an age that regular stops at service stations are requirement! So I can see no issue with plugging the car into a charger whilst I go off and use the facilities and probably have a coffee. A more civilised mode of motoring is on its way!

    David

  • ChocolateTrees
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    edited February 2023 #46

    I am curious to know why you wouldn’t want to plug it in at home?. We have two now. The new little one needs charging about once every 2 weeks. The other about twice a week, based on current mileages. The big one has done 24000 miles in 21 months.  It’s sooo much easier than filling with fuel. 
    The stories of queues at charging stations over Christmas were true, but isolated. Really no worse than the queues that were experienced last April (a lot less bad) for petrol when there was just a rumour of a shortage. 

    With a bit of using the the technology, the queues can basically be avoided… and you only need them on really long journeys anyway…

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