Rewilding
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The GWTC article/report on Raptors and Hen Harriers in particular on managed grouse moors makes for some interesting reading. Yes, there are some good eggs, the enlightened ones, out there working on Game Estates and we must acknowledge them. However, as this game organisation points out, persecution is still taking place.
The following is taken directly from their article:
Question: Does illegal killing of raptors still happen on grouse moors?
Answer: Evidence suggests raptors are still being killed on grouse moors. Data from satellite tagged harriers collected up until 2016 showed that harriers are ten times more likely to die or disappear in areas which are managed for grouse. Other evidence based on distribution, breeding performance and recovery of dead birds strongly suggests that illegal killing of an array of raptor species still occurs on some grouse moors.
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If it cuts into profits kill it is their mantra🙁👎🏻. Ban the whole shooting thing. There is no room for bloodlust killing in the 21st century. Let Mother Nature & natural selection sort it out👍🏻
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If alternatively you read up information in sites like NatureScot you'll find that it's very difficult to define the genetic purity in wildcats in the UK. This debate has been going on for years. It's good to think we might still have wildcats but it might be realistic to understand the situation regarding interbreeding over the centuries.
I don't know what you mean about "theorists" who are they?
I used to see the breeding programme in the Cairngorms also red squirrels, it's still ongoing. You can read the information about the habitats. Anyone who is interested can visit the Highland Wildlife Park which is connected to the Scottish Zoological Soc. Edinburgh Zoo etc.
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Theorists was a term used by a previous contributor to the thread. I too wasn’t 100% sure but took it suggest that misinformation was being employed to dumb down certain issues and so discredit the facts.
The hybridisation is an issue but one which may be addressed and could help the Wilcats.1 -
On the upside-most living creatures(Humans included) have linear impurities it is part of the big scheme of things. That’s nature at work right there & should be trumpeted as a positive👍🏻
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Absolutely, just look at our own heritage. Very true we have to work as best we can with nature, not against it. Not easy but necessary, our very existence may depend on it, pollinators and our food supplies being a point in question. Food chains and ecosystems are both inextricably linked. Upset these to the point of loss and troubles prevail.
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These rewilding project are extremely small scale compared with the total land in use in GB. Finding just a little corner here and there where nature is given a helping hand is preferable isn’t it? Too many species are on that brink due to our interference rather than help. These rewilding areas are helping just a tad not only here but around Europe and beyond. Some are really contributing to the tourist industry, with careful learning ‘management called for’.
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Some folk view themselves(us) as Apex predators who control lesser life forms but some of the most minute take Human life daily(Bacteria) & could wipe out Humanity at their mass disappearance(insects). We are just passing thru but our tenure in modern times of this planet will come to an end & it is our choice just how quickly we are cancelled, some folk just don’t get it.
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The small scale projects are going on without the hype and the best benefit to wildlife. The grand schemes which get the publicity from so called stars invariably are bad.The worst environmental disater in the UK was the mass planting of Sitka post war and through the 70,s.Vast areas of diverse uplands were turned into desert with no insect, bird or mammal life. I rememer the moorlands, heather, rough pastures and mostly untended hills. Not today unfortunately. To compound the problem we are now using huge machines to harvest these almost worthlkess trees churning up the peat and releasing , if you believe it, the captured carbon. We seem hell bent on doing the same mistakes by allowing city firms to buy farms, take growing land out of production, cover in trees and grab the subsidies. A bit like the pop stars of the 70,s. Remember the destructionof the Flow country then?
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Yes, Fish, the Sitka planting had absolutely nothing to do with rewilding as we know to be. This is an old deflection argument which is continued to be trotted out by some to confuse. The ideology behind it was flawed, failed then and fails again. It was all about profit, no more and of no benefit to either The Flow Country or wildlife. We mustn’t allow hoodwinks like this to ever happen again. All proper rewilding projects, larger and smaller aimed firmly at restorative ecosystems are of value if you truely wish to see proper ecosystems and those creatures within them the space they are naturally entitled to. We must not repeat the mistakes of old, you are right. Unfortunately the persecution of some species continues, same old story there repeated over again!
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Super news from all around the country. Many places mentioned make for excellent caravanning tours for the coming season.
https://mailchi.mp/rewildingbritain/december-2022-enewsletter?e=b114d156581 -
Totally disagree. We have seen first hand,Southern England big money trying to overtake us land owning locals, trying to force some lunatic rewilding sceme over Mid Wales . Fortunatly we got wind and sent them packing.Put back things for generations.
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You live in the 21st century Fish not the 13th century🤷🏻♂️. No one can ‘overtake’ you👍🏻. King Edward is long gone.
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Sorry Fish, I’m talking about the projects that have got off the ground and are working with locals. There are quite a few out there as the previous link highlights. These are rewilding and working hard for that comparatively little bit of space on our little island for us to truly share with nature. It’s a growing trend with more future projects being considered and evaluated. Some quite rightly will be dropped for a variety of reasons but I’m sure some,both larger and smaller projects, will get off the ground and this trend will grow knowledge and success. I’m convinced that the vast majority of our population would agree with the aims and objects behind both conservation and rewilding. There will always be a few mind that will want to maintain that perceived right to manipulate our environments for personal gain, a few will of course be locals, I acknowledge that.
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True when money is the sole driving force and not nature. However, two excellent projects fairly close to you are Gilfach & Coetir Anian. Both are receiving accolades and growing support from those local and beyond. Great work, more coming it seems!👍
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Mick- we have a fundamental difference in the meaning of rewilding. Gilfach are small scale on land they own. No problem and a lot of us are doing similar things. The sheme that was being fostered on us was the whole of Mid Wales from the Elan Valleys to the sea. Sod the locals, population or livelyhoods.Bags of monies from non local, non empathy or history in the Area. In fact " influencers "from the New Forest area. Beware those wont give up in forcing their agenda if not here somewhere else with 3M war chest.
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Nothing is foisted upon you. If you don’t want their money don’t take it. That’s an end to it. If folk you know are taking the money of big businesses re carbon offsetting et Al that is their decision. You railing on here means nothing. If you have strong opinions against them stick to your guns👍🏻. They cannot make you do anything if you own your land. Renting?. . .You bow to the owners wishes👍🏻🤷🏻♂️
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How does that impact on you exactly?🤷🏻♂️. Or are you just bitter at the fact you can’t get any of their money?. You moan but offer no solution other than to attack those groups.
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Progress at last! Both these are Rewilding projects and you now support them. At least from small acorns giant oaks are formed. As for the Summit to Coast project they did consult with locals and as a result had to reconsider. This was a novel project in the early days of rewilding and many lessons have been acknowledged and learnt. The drive will be continued across the land, better educated, better focussed and, I’m sure far more successful. We are seeing the likes already around this island of ours. Never give up hope, nature has a place and with it a better future for all!
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Never really had a problem and a conservationist, practical as well. Its the intolerance, the zeolot,and those that impose their will on us that grates. Just think Oil protestors PETA et al. Lunatics with no real understanding of the wider world.
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This is getting ridiculous! Nearly 3 pages of closed comments. Why not just close the thread until someone at HO can come on here and give a proper adjudication of what can or cannot be said. Surely not all of those closed comments have contravened the T&Cs.
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👍 Like you I doubt it will produce any sort of reply from HO.
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Some excellent news coming out of COP15 as Nations across the globe reach 'historic' deal to protect nature.
Let’s hope this World Wide approach will pay dividends and that local projects are given even more enthusiastic support.
After all, for many of us members, as the club rightfully point out, “the great outdoors, the expansive skies, the retreat into nature” drives that experience of freedom into our countryside we love. Hopefully things will go from strength to strength and nature will be the winner. I’m already planning my nature trips out and about from club sites next season. Are you?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-64019324
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